Hosted vs. Non-Hosted.

[Anonymous]

Hi all

Our project is split up in 3 models; architectural - construction - installations. Each model is drawn by its discipline (so a different office). We work on the architectural model. I link the other two revit or .ifc files in our revit model to check the models.

Now I have drawn (interior) windows in a wall that will be structural. That means that the wall will no longer be part of my drawing but is drawn in the structural model. That also means that I can not adjust the placement of the window and that I have to talk to the structural engineer to move the window-opening to where I wish it to be.

My problem now is that the window is still hosted to a wall in my drawing. That wall is a 'structural' wall that I used to design the building but no longer need since the structural engineer is drawing those elements. My workaround for that was to place all my 'structural design elements' (if you will) in a workset that I can easily turn on and  off when I export my file for the two other discplines to use (structure and installations).

Now I want to delete my workset that contains these 'architectural structural design elements' but that means that my windows will be deleted as well. The windows are not placed in that workset but the walls that they are hosted into are. I searched around on these forums and found something about non-hosted families.

Should I create a non-hosted window family for these windows? Or can I switch the window-family from hosted to non-hosted? If so, how does that work? I can not find anything in the parameters or Revit-settings that tells me something about making an elemental non-hosted.

(I use these interior windows also for non-structal walls - I prefer to use this family for all the interior windows and not make a difference between them if placed in a different (structural) wall).

Hope you have some tips. If I need to provide more information please let me know.

Regards,

Richard

[barthbradley]

I terribly confused by your workflow, but an alternative to "unhosting" the Windows would be to keep the portion of the Wall that is cut away by the Window.  Know what I mean?  

Wall-Hosted Window. Where's Walldo?  

[ToanDN]

In case you are wondering how to keep the wall precisely where the windows are.

[Anonymous]

Hi barthbradley

I can imagine my wall of text is very confusing.

This is (in short) what I mean:

I want to place my window in a wall.

That wall is part of a linked model in my model. The linked model is made by a structural engineer from another office. They adjust the openings in the wall on my request.

I can not place my window in that wall. I do not want a hidden 'where's waldo' wall because that means it will appear in schedules. I want my window to be 'floating' in space - the space in the wall made by the structural engineer.

Perhaps I have the terminology wrong, but I assumed that to make the window 'floating', you need to make the family 'non-hosted'. I suppose my question is: how do I make my window or my window-family 'non-hosted'?

[bin]

https://knowledge.autodesk.com/support/revit-products/learn-explore/caas/simplecontent/content/conve...

[Jerry.jc.Wu]

The window family is created in a window family template that default is a wall host family, so you cannot just turn it into a non-hosted family.

What you can do is create a non-host family with nested void, however you must check "cut with void when loaded" in family category. and when load the family in, you need to manually use "cut geometry" to cut the geometry with the nested void.

For the family itself, you can just select the whole window in the current family in 3D and copy the whole thing to a new family with non-hosted template.

Hope it helps.

Thanks

[bin]

Sure can, check the link.

[barthbradley]

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@Anonymous wrote:

I can imagine my wall of text is very confusing.

It wasn’t the amount of text that was confusing, it's the whole workflow I find strange. Further confounding to me, is your explanation for not wanting wall-hosted windows. “Because that means [the walls] will appear in schedules”. So what? Filter them out. Volume does not equal zero.    

[ToanDN]

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@Anonymous wrote:

I can imagine my wall of text is very confusing.

This is (in short) what I mean:

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Your explanation is fine, not confusing at all.  The workflow as per my understanding:  you created windows, you asked structure to create openings in structural walls to match your windows, you got his file and you wanted to keep his walls/openings, keep your windows in his opening, and remove your walls.   If it is correct then the workflow is not uncommon at all.

If you don't like to edit the wall profile to make the hosted windows to appear floating, and like to convert them to unhosted family permanently then it will be a lengthy process:

- convert all windows / doors that you want to make unhosted to mechanical equipment category and load them back in your project

- create a blank project and link your project in it

- copy monitor the mechanical equipment (aka ex-windows)

- edit these equipment and change them back to window category, rename the families to avoid conflict later on 

- remove the link, save the project (B)

- go back to your project, delete the walls you don't need, insert B in as model group and BAM, unhosted windows are there in the structure wall opening

[barthbradley]

"BAM"??? Really???  he, he, he.    

P.S. The Architectural/coordination workflow described is not common in Residential/Light Frame (including Tilt-Up) in my neck of the woods (nearby your "woods", I believe). But I've only been at this for 30 years.  Just saying. Thank you very much.