Hidden Line Issue with Foundations

[kirsch33]

Hello,

We are having an issue with our foundation line types on a project. We have line style overrides on the foundation category to make them dashed. However, only (2) of the (4) sides of piles typically end up looking correct. As you can see in the screenshot below, the top and bottom appears completely different (almost as if there are 2 overlapping lines) but there is only 1 element present.

Also, for some reason the foundation refuses to properly join with the adjcacent wall footing such that the line at their intersection goes away/invisible. The wall footing and isolated footing are 100% the exact same material and at the same elevation, although they are different thicknesses (does that matter)?

I have tried every combination of model display settings, show hidden lines, discipline setting, etc and can not figure out how to clean this detail up.

[barthbradley]

I'm seeing overlapping line types as well. Beyond that, I not clear what you mean by line types not joining properly. 

...are you hiding in view the model element that the Line Type is created from?   

[ToanDN]

Overlapping lines with different lengths. You can fix it by using linework to turn some of the overlapping lines to invisible.

Why don't you set the discipline to Structural and set the view Hidden Lines to by Discipline or All?

[kirsch33]

Basically the portion of line where the retaining wall foundation above and below intersects with the isolated foundation should not be visible--since this concrete will all be placed together. It should just step outward at the isolated foundation where it is larger on all sides than the wall footing--but as you can see above it is keeping this line at the end of the wall footing. 

This is in addition to the fact that where the isolated footing steps outward, it is not dashed properly. it should keep the same exact dash style as the left and right sides, around each 4 corners until it hits the wall footing and then transition to the width of the wall footing and go up/down the page. 

I will upload some additional screenshots

[barthbradley]

Sounds like you picked too many edges when creating Line Types.  If so, can't you delete them? 

If not, maybe the LW took is not what you want to use here.  Maybe a Detail Line would be better.  

[kirsch33]

 I havent used the linework tool at all on the screenshots im posting. When I try, i am unable to select the footing line that should be invisible. it just makes the entire top isolated footing edge line invisible. Discipline to structural and the show hidden lines does not work--ive tried every combination.

I would like to get this working properly with just model overrides rather than resorting to hiding things and just drawing detail lines. Our view template has some model overrides such as making the footing lines dashed, etc.

Here is another screenshot explaining what it should look like:

Could it be view range related? Right now cut plane and top are set to a few ft above these elements and bottom/below are unlimited

[kirsch33]

For the record, when i hover my cursor above the top left corner of the isolated footing, you can clearly see 2 overlapping dashed lines. However linework tool only lets me ever select 1, which if I do (to make invisible) then nothing is left:

[barthbradley]

Oops. Another speed-reading accident.  Sorry about that, chief. You aren't using the Linework tool.  Maybe you should though. 

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https://knowledge.autodesk.com/support/revit/learn-explore/caas/CloudHelp/cloudhelp/2019/ENU/Revit-D....

[barthbradley]

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@kirsch33 wrote:

For the record, when i hover my cursor above the top left corner of the isolated footing, you can clearly see 2 overlapping dashed lines. However linework tool only lets me ever select 1, which if I do (to make invisible) then nothing is left:

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My guess is that some other override acting on the elements in the view. 

Element Visibility Override Hierarchy | Revit 2019 | Autodesk Knowledge Network

[ToanDN]

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@kirsch33 wrote:

Hello,

We are having an issue with our foundation line types on a project. We have line style overrides on the foundation category to make them dashed. However, only (2) of the (4) sides of piles typically end up looking correct. As you can see in the screenshot below, the top and bottom appears completely different (almost as if there are 2 overlapping lines) but there is only 1 element present.

Also, for some reason the foundation refuses to properly join with the adjcacent wall footing such that the line at their intersection goes away/invisible. The wall footing and isolated footing are 100% the exact same material and at the same elevation, although they are different thicknesses (does that matter)?

I have tried every combination of model display settings, show hidden lines, discipline setting, etc and can not figure out how to clean this detail up.

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These two here don't work together.  If you use Shoe Hidden lines then the floor should not be transparent.  Care to share the file?

[barthbradley]

You can always post the file.  That would make this troubleshooting a whole lot faster and easier.  

[WEC17]

1. Click on Manage/Additional Settings: click on pulldown and look for Beyond change it to hidden lines 1/8" of any of the Hidden click okay.
2. Foundation change Visual Style to wire frame.  Make sure your View range is above your foundation. ex. my Grade Beam top elevation is set at -8". View Range is at -6".  once you dod this everything below the slab will shown up in Dash "hidden" Lines.

[kirsch33]

I figured it out. Thanks to all. 

The issue was a combination of things. 100% transparency on the isolated footing is what was causing the shared line to show between it and the retaining wall foundation. I removed that view filter and that issue was fixed.

To solve the dashed/overlapping line issue, I'm not sure exactly how what I did worked, but I changed my view range to put the bottom where it was cutting through the pier but not the foundations. This made it all appear as the "beyond" linetype, which I then just did an element override to make dashed. I can probably make this a filter specific to a template for it to be more automatic.