graphics in elevation and section are different

[mpukas]

I'm doing a simple addition and renovation to an existing house. In the existing house, I'm only replacing new windows & doors in the existing R.O.'s. I've only placed one instance of the windows & doors and have them as New Construction, and the walls are Existing. I did not want to place one instance of the windows and doors as Existing Demo'd and then a second instance of the same as New Construction. 

In the attached  screen shot, the left view is an elevation view is an elevation and the right view is a section view of the front of an existing house. I want the elevation views to look like the section views. The view template for each view uses the exact same phase filter. The only way I can make the graphics look as desired is to modify wall profile and cut a hole around each window & door. PIA work around. 

Are the other graphic setting that I'm missing? Are there built-in graphics settings for elevation and section views that causes graphics of the same view to appear different? 

[ToanDN]

Same detail level (coarse, medium, fine)?

[mpukas]

Yes, detail level is the same for both templates, medium

If I change the template from section to elevation, in either view, then the resulting graphics will change accordingly. So it's something to do with a setting in the view template. I wonder if it's something baked into the elevation and view templates that can't be accessed. 

[mpukas]

Elevation view with elevation template: 

[mpukas]

Elevation view with section template: 

[mpukas]

Elevation template: 

[mpukas]

Section Template: 

[ToanDN]

If you didn't model the existing door and windows to demolish, then what are those solid door and windows on the elevation view?

[mpukas]

It's the existing wall covering the new windows. Why is the existing wall shown covering the new windows in elevation view, but not in section view? 

I use two walls (on all projects) - one has the wall structure and interior GWB, the second has sheathing and exterior finish. The door and windows are hosted to the wall with structure. 

The door and window families have openings so they cut multiple walls. Voids will only cut one wall and will not work with this method of using multiple walls. 

[ToanDN]

Why would you show the existing wall to be demolished on a new elevation?  Or does it even get demolished?

[mpukas]

The existing walls are not being demo'd. 

[ToanDN]

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@mpukas wrote:

The existing walls are not being demo'd. 

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Then what are the part where the new door and windows are?

[mpukas]

Another way to do it is to create existing windows in the existing walls and demo the window. Then copy-paste in same place a new window. But the Revit throws an error saying there are duplicate elements in the same place. That's extra work and frustration. 

I should be able to place a new window in an existing wall and have the graphics read properly - and the same - for both elevation and section views. 

[ToanDN]

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@mpukas wrote:

Another way to do it is to create existing windows in the existing walls and demo the window. Then copy-paste in same place a new window. But the Revit throws an error saying there are duplicate elements in the same place. That's extra work and frustration. 

I should be able to place a new window in an existing wall and have the graphics read properly - and the same - for both elevation and section views. 

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Then set the view to Show Previous + New or Show Complete.

By the way, you can certainly clipboard copy the demolished door and windows in the existing view and paste aligned in a new work view and there shouldn't be any error popping up.

[mpukas]

And why does Revit display graphics differently for different walls and windows on the same elevation? In the south elevation below, the walls of the dormer are exactly the same as the walls of the lower level, the windows are the same family just different sizes. All phases are the same. But the graphics are different. 

[mpukas]

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[ToanDN]

Well you chose not to follow the recommended existing/demolition/new work workflow, but be creative with your own then expect funny result.  If you insist on using your own approach then share the model here to get to the bottom of what is wrong.

[mpukas]

@ToanDN I always appreciate your help and knowledge. But this is not a case of me not following recommended workflows. There's something in the view templates that are causing different graphic results. I'll happily share the model. 

[mpukas]

open the east elevation, switch templates between architectural elevation 1/4" and architectural section 1/4". Note the change in how the windows and doors are displayed. 

[mpukas]

And to your comment re: recommended workflows, what's wrong with placing a new window in an existing wall? The walls are existing, not demo'd. The windows are new. What's the recommended workflow for this scenario?