Gappy Walls when dealing with Phasing

[Anonymous]

Gappy Walls - 2018.2 (up to date on all service packs) Open new project using out of the box everything, walls, phase filters, phasing. Create a wall on existing - create a wall on new construction that intersects it. You now get gaps in your walls.  I've noticed this is the 2016 release, but it was never this bad, or this inconsistent.

There are no:

Altered wall types it’s all wall 1. all the walls are wall 1 type

No design options

No extra phases, just Revit existing and Revit new.

Wall joins does nothing, at least i don't know of a way to change joins between walls of different phases. 

I googled. Lots of similar issues, with no real solutions. It's inconsistent (which i hate). So I got bored, I created a new phase filter which did nothing. 

Happy Musings and ruminations!

[barthbradley]

What happen to "Show Complete" Phase Filter?

[ToanDN]

Any new walls crossing existing walls should be broken to segments so that they join properly, do not use Join geometry like you did.

[barthbradley]

Interesting. I can't replicate. I have complete walls shown in both phases with Phase Filter set to Show Complete.  Are you able to replicate @ToanDN? What's the secret? 

...ah! replicated it by drawing new construction walls first and existing last. An order of operation thing. This is really stupid.  

[ToanDN]

It is quite unpredictable when walls run crossing on another like that.  Practically, when two walls cross, only one is continuous, the other should be two separate walls on either sides.  Just as how they should be built.  That keeps the joints clean and predictable.  Everytime.

[barthbradley]

I don't think so @ToanDN. Sorry. We're building digitally here. Revit should be smart enough to figure it out. 

[ToanDN]

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@barthbradley wrote:

I don't think so @ToanDN. Sorry. We're building digitally here. Revit should be smart enough to figure it out. 

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I find the statement strange coming from you who always asks others to think how things are built 😉

[barthbradley]

That's a completely different thing, buddy. C'mon! You know there's no accuse for this behavior. It crazy stupid! Makes no fricking sense! 

Okay, I'm done now. Is it beer-thirty yet? 

[Anonymous]

If I am on existing then I should only see existing. I should not see how future work affects my existing wall until I am in previous and demo or previous and new. For me it wasn’t an order of operation, if I started on existing and then drew the new it behaved the same way. I agree that order of operation has more consistent results.

But really that’s assuming we are drawing everything perfectly from the start and it never changes. I mean that never happens right? A wall is never going to move or change phase ever in architecture.

I thought it was revise instantly. Right?

PS: I didn’t “join” my walls they are all just walls intersecting.

[ToanDN]

If you didn't join them how come I could unjoin them. Look at the file I posted. It maybe stupid but it shouldn't happen if you draw the walls like how they should be constructed.

[Anonymous]

I didn’t join them. If running a wall through another wall is a join in your world then, sure. But if that’s a join, how would you have someone draw the walls on a existing plan? Disallow join? That’s not efficient. Your assumption that every issue is user at fault is not always correct. I have been using Revit for 12 years, so I don’t know everything but I know a lot. so if I think something is wrong, I’ve probably tested it, troubleshooted and tried some things. This is meant to be a community helping each other out, you don’t have to talk down to everyone .

[barthbradley]

@ToanDN: I get what you're saying, but you are missing my point. We are not building it  -- we are designing it. Design is a very fluid and often non-chronological process. 

@Anonymous: I do not have this issue if I draw the walls chronologically. But still. I'm with you - this shouldn't be. 

...further: why would Wall Automatic Joining REMOVE a section of wall for a join that hasn't happened yet???

[ToanDN]

Okay I take it that you did not manually join them. Maybe that is how they behave (strangely) when they cross because if you draw one wall with its end touching but not crossing the other. I am not suggesting Disallow join either, i didn't even touch that in the file I posted. From my experience, the reverse effect (walls refuse to join when they cross) can occasionally happen when they are under the same phase so I made it my practice to not draw walls crossing. I've given you my piece on how to avoid it, it's up you to use it or to keep on being upset. Software are not perfect. It's the users that make the difference. As far as "talk down", I don't believe I did it but if you take it that way that please accept my apology. I don't talk down on people with less experience, let alone you have twice the years under your belt.

[barthbradley]

This in a known issue:

https://knowledge.autodesk.com/support/revit-products/troubleshooting/caas/sfdcarticles/sfdcarticles...

Please vote here: 

https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/revit-ideas/do-not-automatically-join-walls-in-different-phases/idi-p...

[lculliver]

I realize this answer is years after the original post, but for anyone else who comes across this issue:

Try selecting the walls that are creating the gap, then in the "Join" submenu, choose Unjoin Geometry. I was having the same problem and this seemed to work.