Existing and demo phases

[Anonymous]

For some reason when I select the Existing Phase and have Show Previous + Demo selected I don't see anything in my view.

But if I switch the phase to New Construction  and have the same phase filter show things appear. This creates  a problem because then all the new callouts and elevation tags show up.

Can some one help me, phasing can be so furstrating, I looked at an old project I did and it didnt work this way 

[L.Maas]

It all depends on what you do in which phase and which set up you have made.

In a default template you usually have two phases "existing" and "new construction", where (logically) existing is the oldest phase.

If you look at the default phasing setup ("Manage", "Phases"):

You can now see exactly what happens.

If you are in your view in the existing phase (oldest). What is in the previous phase? It does not exist, so nothing.

If in this existing phase you demolish something it was somethin Temporary. If you look at the screenshot you will see that it will not be displayed. So Revit correctly shows nothing in your view

If you do something similar in your next phase (new construction). In this case you have a previous phase (existing) and it will show items from that phase.

As can be seen from this phasing you see that you can modify what will be displayed when. 

[Anonymous]

I have been following what you wrote, but I am still not able to figure this out, could it be that I am far into this project that its not phasing correctly. This project was started by someone else and they had the existing portion not phased. Now its been bought to my attention there needs to be items demo'ed as well.

if I change an existing wall to being created in demo. it shows up in the existing phase as a solid line but not as the dashed like you would think.

[L.Maas]

It should not matter at which stage of the project you do the phasing (easiest of course form the start).

If I see this line "if I change an existing wall to being created in demo" then I think you are missing a keypoint in the phasing of a project.

In a default Revit template you normally have two phases "existing" and "new construction". Demolition is in Revit NOT used as a phase.

So you would NOT create "existing", "demolition", "New Construction", "Demolition". "Future expansion" etc....

Demolition takes place in one of your phases of your choosing (ie.g. existing, new construction). So for example, if you create a wall in your phase "new construction". In that same phase you could do the demolition. In this case this wall will be a temporary wall (build and demo in same phase)

So the important concept is NOT to create a demolition phase.

Experiment with this. Create a simple project based on a default template and try to experiment with the different settings. For example set up a walls in different phases and demolish them in different phases and see what the phase filters are doing to your walls.

I notice with a lot of people that this whole phasing just hast to 'click' and the they suddenly say...ooooooooohhhh that's how it works.

[chrisplyler]

Did you follow the part about why nothing is showing up in your view that is set to Existing and filtered to display Previous + Demo?

Well, you have no elements existing in the phase previous to the Existing phase. And you haven't demoed anything in the Existing phase.

So the expected workflow is to create all the existing model in the Existing phase. Then move into a view set to the New Construction phase and start doing the real-world work, demoing out existing stuff and modeling new stuff.

Now you can add additional phases in the order you would like, but the relationship between them follows the same pattern. Demo should not be it's own phase. It's work done IN a phase just like adding a new wall is work done IN a phase.

I've described demoing stuff that is in the Existing phase while you are viewing the model in the New Construction phase. Enlint talked about demoing stuff that is in the New Construction phase while you are viewing the model in the same New Construction phase. You've modeled a new wall, and then demoed it, all in the same view set to the New Construction phase. Then in that case, like Enlint said, it's a temporary wall that you put up during construction and then took down again. Like maybe a dust barrier or sound barrier.

So you would have duplicated views for your drawing set.

You might have a view only showing the existing conditions. Phase = Existing and Filter = Show New. So it's only going to show stuff you modeled in the Existing phase. Or Phase = New Construcion and Filter = Previous. So it will show the same stuff, but halftoned or whatever according to your phase settings (see the chart Enline showed).

You might have a demo plan. Phase = New Construction and Filter = Previous + Demo. Get it? It's not going to show stuff that's in the New Construction phase that remains. It's only going to show the Existing phase (because that's the previous one), plus whatever you demoed in here the New Constructio phase.

Then you might have a plan for the new work. Phase = New Construction and Filter = Previous + New. See, it's going to show the remaining, undemoed existing stuff (halftoned or whatever according to those settings) along with the new stuff that gets built.

It might make more sense if the Phase Filter parameter used the word "current" in place of the word "new."

[Anonymous]

its weird I have two projects that were using the same template but have alittle bit different results. What got this to become an issue, was that my callouts from New Construction are showing up in the Demo phase. Shouldn't those been hidden in that phase, I dont want to set up a filter to hide all of those.

[chrisplyler]

A callout tag, section tag, etc., that is set to the New Constrution phase will only show in views also set to the New Construction Phase. But it's possible your Demo view IS set to the New Construction Phase, and is displaying the demo work by the Phase Filter being set to one of the Previous options.

[Anonymous]

I think I have it all set correctly now. I might have already had it set.

Ones question though, Typically do you or do you not have elvations and callouts in demo view/plan?

I guess this reason I am asking is because like I beleive you mentioned my demo view is set to where Phase = New Construction, Phase Filter = Show Previous + Demo. my callouts are hidden but those show up in my normal new construction views. 

In my existing views, I can create callouts and such that only show up in those views

Thanks for yall help so far

[chrisplyler]

Let's say you're in a plan view that is set to New Construction, Show New. Okay, whatever you draw in that view shows up right there in that view because it's set to show itself and only itself. Now you draw a detail callout in that view. The detail callout creates it's own new view, and that view inherits the New Constrution, Show New setting.

You've got another plan view that is set to New Construction, Show Previous + Demo. You're using it as your demo plan. It doesn't show any of the new stuff. It also doesn't show that detail callout you created earlier, because that detail callout references a view of stuff that doesn't exist yet.

In the same way that a Section mark created in an MEP Discipline plan view will not show up in an Architectural Discipline plan view, a New Construction detail callout mark created in a New phase plan view will not show up in a plan view that doesn't display that New phase.

It's convoluted. It took me a good while to wrap my brain around it. But once you do it will all make sense.

[Anonymous]

A question regarding demo and new:

I have seen that the section tags work depending on 'when they were drawn' so that there can be demo sections and then separate new sections with the section callouts showing up correctly. I have never been able to get our elevation tags to work the same way. anyone know why?

Shouldn't the callouts work the same way?

[ToanDN]

Elevation tags, section tags, plan callouts, model detail callouts, they all work the same way regarding phasing. But if you use them to reference an already created view then they would respect the phase of that view.

[Anonymous]

I am having a problem with placing existing components into the existing phase.

Scenario:

Existing residential project walls are drawn in existing phase and displayed correctly.

When I choose an existing door to place into the existing phase, it shows as demolished automatically.

I then go to the "Renovated plan" (new construction filter) and the door is displayed in this plan but as new construction.

The problem here is that (obviously) this method of having to go between floorplans/phases to manually change items to be displayed into the correct phase is not at all efficient.

Also, the Phasing/Phase filters/ graphic overrides are all set as default, and therefore have worked in previous projects correctly.

My understanding is that whichever phase you place the component/family in, Revit should automatically "place" that item within that phase it was created, correct?

I'm stumped.

[ToanDN]

@Anonymous

Because the Phase of the view you are placing the doors is Existing.  Look at the view's properties.  It is a Demolition view? Go to an actual Existing View, phase = Existing, Phase filter = Show All, to place these doors.

If you already placed those doors, just grab them and change Phase Created to Existing.

[Anonymous]

I think I'm missing something. If I'm drawing in an existing phase, place
an existing door (phase filter is set to show complete, phase is existing)
the door's phase is still automatically placed as "new construction."

This is frustrating due to the fact of having to manually change the
"door's" phase after being placed for every component placed.

[chrisplyler]

If that's true, then it is very weird behavior.

Please verify that you are indeed using the Architecture > Door tool ... to place a door instance into your model ... via a view that is set to the Existing phase (not the Phase Filter, the Phase itself).

You're telling us that you:

1. Are in a view that has the Phase parameter set to Existing, not the Phase Filter, the Phase, and then...

2. Use the Architectural > Door tool to place a new instance of a door family,

3. Into that view,

4. And then that door shows its Phase Created parameter as something OTHER than Existing?

I humbly submit that your copy of Revit is haunted.

[Anonymous]

I think the problem was with the actual door type (downloaded from the
web.) I've used another one and it seems to be working fine.

Thanks for all your help.

[michael.hansonF4L5R]

When it comes to Demolitions Plans, Elevations and even Sections, I've had to use Filters to hide detail references to New Enlarged Plans, Elevations, and Sections since a Demolition model view typically sets the Phase to 'New Construction' with 'Show Previous + Demo'. Both Demolition details and New Work details are set to 'New Construction' as their phase, that's why you get both detail references in your views. I had to create a new view type, one for 'Section - Demo' and one for 'Section - New' for example. Then I create a filter that hides the respective detail reference using the Family Type Name as the identifier. I use 'Contains: 'New' or 'Contains: 'Demo'. in the filter to hide multiple view types like: Callouts, Elevations, and Sections. I agree with everything else that's been said....