Editing Scope Boxes and Cropped Views | Why is there no functionality?

[htarter82ZFR]

While creating a new scope box for another area of my project, I mistakenly used a crop region instead of the scope box. I then created multiple drawings in a single plan using that crop view. Now that it's time to make more drawings of different plan views with the same size crop, I realized my mistake as the other views do not have a common scope box to create the same cropped region from. Consequently, I will have to restart completely in order for each plan to have the same cropped extents.

My question is how can I apply a cropped region from one plan to a different plan? Or do I have to just suck it up and redraw? Scope boxes are out of the question because I have no idea why they do not have snaps, and therefore, cannot be snapped to the cropped region that was drawn from; this will result in different crops for each plan when it comes time to print. I find it ridiculous that I see incredibly complex elevations/plans that use something so imprecise as scope boxes. Additionally, any advice would be appreciated, for I see that this has been an issue since 2013. 

(edited for clarity)

[ToanDN]

I don't quite understand the issue.  Why can't you create a scope box and assign it to multiple views?

[htarter82ZFR]

Sorry, I probably wasn't very clear. I am able to do this and assign it to other plan views, but a scope box wouldn't be the same crop size and position as the original crop view that was used to make drawings. I hope this clarifies. 

[ToanDN]

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@htarter82ZFR wrote:

Sorry, I probably wasn't very clear. I am able to do this and assign it to other plan views, but a scope box wouldn't be the same crop size and position as the original crop view that was used to make drawings. I hope this clarifies. 

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So the question really is how to match a scope box with a view crop region, isn't it?

[htarter82ZFR]

True, but unless you can draw the box in the exact position and dimension as the crop region, you cannot use scope boxes in this scenario. They do not snap, nor do they have any positional data to edit into place.

[ToanDN]

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@htarter82ZFR wrote:

True, but unless you can draw the box in the exact position and dimension as the crop region, you cannot use scope boxes in this scenario. They do not snap, nor do they have any positional data to edit into place.

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View crop regions are arbitrary too so I don't see why matching them 100% is such a big deal.  I would just be eyeballing it.

[RLY_15]

I don't believe that the Revit API has opened up scope box properties at this point in time, so Python/Dynamo workflows don't work here either to 'perfectly' match boundaries. This has been a wishlist item on the forums going back to ~2018, and I haven't seen any buzz from the programmer folks about changes to that.

Ideally scope boxes are established early in the project for application to views as-needed. What you seem to be looking for is a workaround to having a project set up with cropped regions. If you absolutely, absolutely, absolutely need perfect matches for this project, you can use a Dynamo workflow with Crop Regions to reference the 'correct' crop region and apply it to other views.

I don't know why cropboxes are exposed in the API and scopeboxes are not, my only suggestion would be to continue upvoting any Revit Ideas related to the topic.

[htarter82ZFR · Accepted solution]

I will @ the other users in this thread to notify a workaround for this issue. @RLY_15 @ToanDN . Thank you for your help on this matter.

Using lines to mark the dimensions of a cropped view on one level, one is able to construct exact cropped regions on other levels when setting your view range/underlay to that specific level.

Level 1:

Level 2:

From here, you can recreate the exact crop that exists on one level on to other levels. Sadly, until scope boxes are editable like other elements, this will have to be the workflow for those who require precise cropped views from an existing cropped view.

[ToanDN]

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@htarter82ZFR wrote:

I will @ the other users in this thread to notify a workaround for this issue. @RLY_15 @ToanDN . Thank you for your help on this matter.

Using lines to mark the dimensions of a cropped view on one level, one is able to construct exact cropped regions on other levels when setting your view range/underlay to that specific level.

Level 1:

Level 2:

From here, you can recreate the exact crop that exists on one level on to other levels. Sadly, until scope boxes are editable like other elements, this will have to be the workflow for those who require precise cropped views from an existing cropped view.

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You could just have edited one crop region boundary, copy the boundary lines, cancel out, edit the other view's crop region boundary, paste aligned, finish.

[RobDraw]

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@htarter82ZFR wrote:

Using lines to mark the dimensions of a cropped view on one level, one is able to construct exact cropped regions on other level

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Why couldn't you do that with a scope box?