Editing Crop regions

[Sahay_R]

Is it possible to modify the lineweight of crop region boundaries to have varying linestyles?

Office standards require that one side of the crop region be invisible - so far haven't seen any option to do so without taking the clip with / without line route and manually drawing the boundary to get the required effect.

Any thoughts, cheats, or workarounds please?

[cbcarch]

Perhaps with Dynamo--check here:

http://sixtysecondrevit.com/2016-12-06-override-revit-interior-elevations-crop/

[Sahay_R]

@cbcarch - TY - but this is to change the lineweight of the entire crop region. What I am aiming at is something like this - 

[ToanDN]

Old school way:  a Masking region or a Break line with a mask.

[barthbradley]

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@Sahay_R wrote:

Is it possible to modify the lineweight of crop region boundaries to have varying linestyles?

Office standards require that one side of the crop region be invisible - so far haven't seen any option to do so without taking the clip with / without line route and manually drawing the boundary to get the required effect.

Any thoughts, cheats, or workarounds please?

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Solution: Revise the Office Standards. 

...Hey, how was Vegas? Or does that information stay in Vegas?   

[Sahay_R · Accepted solution]

@ToanDN - where is the masking region placed? In the view or on the sheet? When I place it in the view, it just slides under the crop region line, and Revit is unforgiveably rude when I try to place it on the sheet.

The only thing which has come close to doing what I want it to has been to create the  break line linework in a generic annotation family, and nest in another generic annotation family with a masking region.

Unless someone can come up with a more elegant solution?

[Anonymous · Accepted solution]

I use the donut masking region...  inside of the donut is the heavy section lines / crop and I can use invisible lines at corridors and such.  Outside line I use invisible lines, but really it can be any as I move the view crop between the masking donut lines.  Then I turn off the crop region for the view.  

It's time consuming, but interior elevations look a heck of a lot better.

[ToanDN · Accepted solution]

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@Sahay_R wrote:

@ToanDN - where is the masking region placed? In the view or on the sheet? When I place it in the view, it just slides under the crop region line, and Revit is unforgiveably rude when I try to place it on the sheet.

The only thing which has come close to doing what I want it to has been to create the  break line linework in a generic annotation family, and nest in another generic annotation family with a masking region.

Unless someone can come up with a more elegant solution?

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I see.  below is what I normally do.

[cbcarch]

-Great unless you have 45 sheets of elevations...…...lots of manual editing time. Not adding much value to the project IMO.

-I think the OP was looking for an automated method to apply to a selected group of views, or globally to all crop regions?

-Perhaps there is a way with Dynamo?

[ToanDN]

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@cbcarch wrote:

-Great unless you have 45 sheets of elevations...…...lots of manual editing time. Not adding much value to the project IMO.

-I think the OP was looking for an automated method to apply to a selected group of views, or globally to all crop regions?

-Perhaps there is a way with Dynamo?

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It is not that bad.  For construction document level of quality you can't just pop in an elevation marker, let it generate a view and call it a day.  There will be annotation, dimensions, details, etc.. added to the elevations and this one is taking one minute per view top.  You can even create a stretchable detail component with a masking region, place it and stretch 4 sides to fit - 1 minute reduced to 15 seconds.

[Anonymous]

Donut method also works great if you have ceiling changes or need to show multiple levels but hide stuff you don't want to see.

[Sahay_R]

@Anonymous, @ToanDN - where are the Detail item / Donut placed? On the view or the Sheet? The caveat here is that it should be placed on the view and not the sheet....

[ToanDN]

View.

[cbcarch]

Sounds like we need Dynamo Donuts. ( and coffee!)

[ToanDN]

Thing is that it is not the same for every elevation. Some need on one side, some need on the other, some need on both, the rest don't. With that many variations it is not easy to do with dynamo.

[cbcarch]

-Have Dynamo place a default donut on each elevation view automatically.

-Saves having users place them manually. Then users adjust as required.

-Automate where value is added; limit user-input to tasks which require "skill/thinking".

-Make money. Have happy users and clients.

[Corsten.Au]

Just to add to that..

Its better to use Callout with Reference.. This helps disconnect the actual callout rectangle on views ( plan, elevation section ) to callout View created , and masking region can be applied.

If its a direct callout, then its hard to manage it cause it will dynamic and will always keep changing if callout moves even a littlebit..

Use Reference Other View, and pick the correct view..

[Sahay_R]

I agree with you, @Corsten.Au, regarding the callout with reference. That's pretty much what I end up doing for enlarged part elevations.

@ToanDN - here is what I get when I drop in a detail item family into the interior elevation - it masks the building but not the crop outline or the tags. Unless your modus operandi is to insert it into an uncropped view - and the detail item does the job of a crop region?

At the end of it, I think that the Generic Annotation Break Line + Masking region family would be the quickest and easiest to control. But again, that's just me....

Thank you , gentlemen. You have given me considerable food for thought.

[ToanDN]

Nothing can mask a view crop region. Hence the Donut masking region and/or Cutline family suggestion.