Drawing walls in plan

[Anonymous]

Hello people

how can I do this?

[PijPiwo]

I’d vote for a void in the door family. Remove wall opening and substitute with a void(s) in the shape you need. You can make them parametric if you want.

BTW, what is the top of the door? Chamfered or straight across?

[Anonymous]

Can you make a screencast? Please. I don't get it. I'm still a beginner haha @PijPiwo

[barthbradley]

Before I answer definitively, may I ask how you want it to look in Medium and Fine Detail Level. I'm supposing that's a compound wall. How would the as-built condition look? 

[RDAOU]

@Anonymous

How many of these doors do you have in the model??

[Anonymous]

One @RDAOU

[RDAOU]

@Anonymous

Usually if it is just 1 I wouldn't make a family for that door. I use one of the following options 

1. i have 1 hosted generic void cut family which I can load and cut with 
2. or just model a generic void in place and chamfer the edges with

they are two walls of different constructions so use two walls.. host the door in the thin one and clean up the edges with an inplace void

[barthbradley]

Fredrick: your post was entitled “Drawing walls in plan”. I asked how you want them “to look in Medium and Fine Detail Level.” Perhaps the attached PDF this will illustrate the point I was making.

My approach would differ from Rob’s, because cutting the wall with voids will not wrap the wall layers correctly. I would build the walls in Revit just as they would be built in the field. By doing it this way, you don’t need to mess with voids or specially-built family types. The OOTB family types will work just fine.

[RDAOU]

🙂

@barthbradley

Not to spoil the fun or depict you BUT  to share a thought

In reality one wouldn't form the concrete at such small details (How deep is that 3-4" chamfer?)!! In such cases the formwork/shuttering would be  straight cuts (butt joint) and the Cladding is what would be chamfered..Same applies if the core would have been CMU. Besides, how cost effective or practical time wise and wastage is if one would form all those angles at the core level.

If that angled portion would have been a stretch with a feasible dimension to be shuttered (if concrete) or cut (if CMU) on site, then yes; I would agree with you 100% build/model a wall as a wall; However at it's present state it is not really a wall...it is more like a joint between two walls.

Regardless 🙂 and back to the subject...Don't spread bad rumors about voids lol...

Voids do cut perfectly well and the walls also wrap perfectly ok even if they are in-place voids as long one doesn't forget to place the Wall Closure properly in the in-place modeled void or family..This is how we would form/mold walls in reality (and in Revit used an in-place with a wall closure ref plane)

[barthbradley]

I’m scratching my head here trying to figure what you’re saying to me, Rob. I think we’re on two entirely different pages here.  What you’re talking about is way beyond the scope of what I was talking about.  

Regarding the exhibit I provided Fredrick; it was merely a quick, generic illustration to explain what I was getting at in my previous post to him. The exhibit wasn’t intended to be a part any submittals to get wet-stamps or building permits or bank financing.  LOL!

Regarding Voids; I love ‘em! But, they are not the end all and be all solution. There are trade-offs to be considered when using voids. In this particular case, I might not use voids. But, I don’t know for sure because I don’t know all the details of what Fredrick is modeling.  I’m not even sure it’s a compound wall – and I certainly don’t know if it’s masonry. For all I know, it could be hay bales! Ha!

Prost! 

[RDAOU]

Was just thinking out loud on the approach "model a wall the way you would build it" ... Looking at the way the core looked in the exhibit, unless it is a precast, the core wouldn't be looking like that...reference to the material was made also because if one is to consider "the way the wall would be built" one would need to consider the limitations of the material (constructibility) so it being bamboo sticks would also make a difference....hmmm! lol probably voids won't help much in that case

So it was not about voids entirely or the million ways one would skin a Revit Cat..the void part was just cuz you mentioned that walls might or wouldn't wrap well, when actually the wall would wrap perfectly as per the actual thing would be built on site.

PS: "emphasis on Revit Cat" just in case an animal rights activist or a cat lover is on this forum we r not skinning real cats

Prost...

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[RDAOU]

Edit- double posted!!

just chit chatting 🙂 I could be wrong so it's always interesting to learning how others approach thing ... As long as one doesn't get too touchy lol I know for sure you wouldn't 

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[Anonymous]

@RDAOU @barthbradley

I appreciate your attempts,  but I don't get it. I am still a beginner

[barthbradley]

Sorry Frederick. Yes, I agree, all this talk is confusing - even to me.  

Here's a link to a You-Tube video that can help you. It shows how to create in-place voids to cut walls.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSIEKh1HHJ0

Good luck to you.

[barthbradley]

Not getting “touchy” at all, Rob; just a little dizzy by all the complexities you’ve inserted into this discussion. But, yes, you’ve correctly identified my go to solution when I get stuck: “model it the way it will be built”.

P.S. If you’re looking for a pen pal to talk shop with...or just “chit chat”, as you said – feel free to send me a private email.

Prost

[Anonymous]

It is chamfered on its three sides...

[RDAOU]

Hey @Anonymous

Sorry for the long discussion above; Watch the following screencast showing one way to do the above wall Detail. Again, one wouldn't do that if one has more than a couple of wall/door  of These. And those model In-Place voids may be modeled as a Family and saved for future use as well.

[Anonymous]

Thank you very much for your workflow ... opened my eyes ... could you also start me on how to make the family?

[RDAOU]

@Anonymous

I am slightly confused... Charly and Frederik are the same person/OP?! And Isabel earlier! Or are you all working on the same door?!

If you are not the same person kindly put your case and question in your own post and I will gladly help

I am not sure who is who on this post anymore and who am I answering/helping! Started feeling like an or G

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[Anonymous]

I feel the confusion ... it was I who consulted Isabel, and she kindly uploaded it to the page for consultation. The fact is that I have to do the survey of an old dwelling that presents this type of walls and carpentry flaring.
Thank you very much and I apologize for the confusion