Door in generic model without host /generic model family or generic model face based

[Anonymous]

I wanna create a door without a host (wall) so apparently, the best way to do it is by creating it in a generic model family, but I am not sure if it should be a generic model face-based or generic model family.

[ToanDN]

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@Anonymous wrote:

I wanna create a door without a host (wall) so apparently, the best way to do it is by creating it in a generic model family, but I am not sure if it should be a generic model face-based or generic model family.

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You can create from a generic model template and change to Doors category.  

Another approach is using a Curtain Wall door:  Create a curtain wall the size of your door and replace the panel with a curtain wall door.  If you have  more than a few of the door then create a curtain wall type and assign a curtain wall door as panels.

[syman2000]

I would start with non-host and change it to door category. If you using face base, you have to construct your model on floor face surface. This can be tricky to model if you are used to construct door using elevation.

As well with non-host, you can change it to workplane, this will turn your door to host on surface or workplane.

[RDAOU]

@Anonymous 

That depends on

1. the reason why NOT a wall based door family the first place
2. how you intend to USE IT...
3. Where will you host it...If not a wall...on a Face? use face based...On a Level or work plane, use simple generic model and toggle the option on the properties palette
4. Will you also generate the openings as separate elements because you want to phase openings separately?
5. or do you want it to cut automatically...the latter requires a host in the family, the former not

Think about the above and your answer will come to you without our help...best way to model a family is to think ahead and have a checklist of similar questions and multiple answers. 

[barthbradley]

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@Anonymous wrote:

I wanna create a door without a host (wall) so apparently, the best way to do it is by creating it in a generic model family, but I am not sure if it should be a generic model face-based or generic model family.

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Sounds like you are trying to solve for the Opening.  If it's a Door that doesn't require an Opening, just delete the Opening from the Door Template Family and model the Door Panel on the outside of the Host Wall in the Template.  Bada Bing.  

[Anonymous]

The issue is that I have a wall with three layers, and it is in the following order from the interior to exterior:
1. plaster 2. Structural wood frame and vertical elements filled in with pollster 3. plaster.
And to deal with it as one unit where a door can adapt for all the layers and not only one wall layer, I will create a panel family where it will contain all the layers and then implement it in a store curtain wall, later I will add a door, but a normal door will not work because it is a panel system.
So, I will need to create a door without a host from a generic family model for that I need to consider the consequences of the two options:
Generic model
Generic model face based

[Anonymous]

The issue is that I have a wall with three layers, and it is in the following order from the interior to exterior:
1. plaster 2. Structural wood frame and vertical elements filled in with pollster 3. plaster.
And to deal with it as one unit where a door can adapt for all the layers and not only one wall layer, I will create a panel family where it will contain all the layers and then implement it in a store curtain wall, later I will add a door, but a normal door will not work because it is a panel system.
So, I will need to create a door without a host from a generic family model for that I need to consider the consequences of the two options:
Generic model
Generic model face-based

[RDAOU]

@Anonymous 

Instead of a curtain panel, Use a basic wall as a panel!! then you can use a normal door

[Anonymous]

i cant have all this details in a wall , i am not sure if you understand my process 

[RDAOU]

@Anonymous 

Layers are layers, nothing much in these...You can embed detail items in walls (top sides and bottom) to detail connections to the mullion structure

Unless your intent is to model everything in 3D details...then sure it is custom cw panels...with a face cased generic door to cut the panels

[barthbradley]

Are you saying your Wall is comprised of several Basic Wall Types sandwiched together into one "Assembly"? Instead of an Opening, use an unattached Void Cut in the Door Family (that is deep enough to penetrate all the sandwiched Basic Walls Types)  and check "Cuts with Void when Loaded".  Then load, place and cut the Walls in the Project manually, one at a time, using Cut Geometry tool.  

[barthbradley]

Are we talking about a Curtain Wall Door? That's a special Category of Family.  If you want to use a "regular" Door in a Curtain Wall, you need to first replace the CW Panel, at the Door location, with a Basic Wall Type that can host a "regular" Door.  

[ToanDN]

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@Anonymous wrote:
The issue is that I have a wall with three layers, and it is in the following order from the interior to exterior:
1. plaster 2. Structural wood frame and vertical elements filled in with pollster 3. plaster.
3 layers or 3 walls?  if 3 layers then a normal door should cut normally.  if 3 walls then use join geometry to join them then a door will also cut through them normally.

And to deal with it as one unit where a door can adapt for all the layers and not only one wall layer, I will create a panel family where it will contain all the layers and then implement it in a store curtain wall, later I will add a door, but a normal door will not work because it is a panel system.
So, I will need to create a door without a host from a generic family model for that I need to consider the consequences of the two options:
Generic model
Generic model face based

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[Anonymous]

You CANT have a wooden element inside the wall, so it will be three walls, and since the second one is a curtain wall , YOU CANT JOIN

[ToanDN]

Is this what you want?  

- You can joint two walls even if they are not directly adjacent so that a door can cut both

- framing modeled using a curtain wall can match the door opening by placing curtain grids around the opening

You can even model the assembly as one wall, create parts and exclude the core from parts, then place a curtain framing in the same manner.  Set the view to Show parts and the result is similar to above..

[barthbradley]

Replace a Curtain Wall Panel with a Basic Wall Type that is equal in thickness to the total thickness of all the Walls combined and then Join it this Basic Wall "Panel" to the Basic Wall Types on both sides of the Curtain Wall.   

[barthbradley]