Door Family Panel Openings vs extents

[CarneyConstructionDesigns]

I am working with an Architectural Model to create Structural Plans for a a tilt-up Panel Building with multiple Garage Doors of varying sizes.

After linking and Copy/Monitor the exterior load bearing tilt-up panels from the Architectural Model, the openings that I get from their model are larger than what they intended.  When I asked the Architect about this, I received the following instructions:

"The door family is coming into your model and is showing over all extents, instead of opening in the wall. Please review door families for panel openings vs. extents."

Can someone please tell me how to do this?

Thanks!

[Keith_Wilkinson]

sounds like a poorly built door family to me.  The family should only cut and opening in the wall the size of the intended Structural Opening IMO.

However I suspect what they are asking you to do is look at the family parameters.  Ddo this by selecting the door and looking at the data in the properties window and also by clicking 'edit type' and see what parameters are set in there.  I would also be worth getting the architect to confirm what parameters specifically you should be basing the opening on.

Peronally though I'd ask them to sort their families out..  

[chrisplyler]

I would tell THEM to, "Please review your own door families so that they cut the intended opening size correctly." Only I might use a few additional words to drive the point home.

[SteveKStafford]

Sorry, that's how Copy/Monitor (C/M) works when it creates openings based on families it finds in a wall. It creates an opening that is equal to the overall extent of the geometry in the family, not just the opening in the host wall as you might expect. It has always worked this way unfortunately. I've written about this situation in the past.

The only families that work well with C/M are those that use nested components for the geometry beyond the opening. The nested families don't get included in the calculation to create the opening in your wall.

Lacking content that supports using C/M, I only use it to create walls. Then I use Stop Monitoring so I can convert the wall to the type we really want to use. Then I just use the Monitoring part of C/M to watch their walls for change. I place opening families (stock content has them) where openings will be required and ensure they are the required size to provide the rough opening the doors and window assemblies will require.

[Keith_Wilkinson]

I never knew that about families. Thanks for that Steve.