Design Options and Schedule

[steve]

I have created 2 design options.  Do schedules filter or can be set to tally the families in the design options?  I can't find a way to do so.  Schedules can be set to reflect "phase".    How about a specific revit "design option" .  It seems to behave as though it will only count families in the prime (not secondary) design options. 

[ToanDN]

Visibility/Graphic Overrides

[barthbradley · Accepted solution]

Are you talking Sets or Options?  Sets like mentioned, but only one Option at a time.  In other words, Set #1 has 3 Options. Only one option can be shown in a single schedule.  You need to dedicate one schedule to each design option. 

https://knowledge.autodesk.com/support/revit-products/learn-explore/caas/CloudHelp/cloudhelp/2018/EN...

[jwinklerQ3ZUJ]

Ah....In 2023 Revit Visibility Graphics overrides are no longer available for schedules?  Not sure how we are supposed to do this now.

[mhiserZFHXS]

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@jwinklerQ3ZUJ wrote:

Ah....In 2023 Revit Visibility Graphics overrides are no longer available for schedules?  Not sure how we are supposed to do this now.

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Yes they are?

[joseph.wrightZ567H]

This is great but is there a way to only schedule what is in the design option? I have set one up that adds a number of doors and I want to schedule the additional doors only. When I use the Visibility Override it just adds the new doors in the Design Option to all the doors in the main model - I don't want the main model doors...

ps. I know workarounds like Mark, Comment, Workset etc etc. 

[mhiserZFHXS]

Yes. Set up a filter.

[joseph.wrightZ567H]

How do you filter a schedule to include only those elements that are within the Design Option?

Or do you mean - no, but you can set up a filter using mark, comment, workset etc?

[mhiserZFHXS]

There is no way to automatically filter by design option, which I agree would be nice. But filtering by other means is available and I'd hardly call it a "workaround" if that's what you are going to imply. But go ahead and post "filter by design option" to the idea board. I'll be your first vote.

[tauber42]

not sure if it came back in a newer release for Revit 2023.. but but Visiblity/Graphics is definitely still there in schedules for Revit 2023.  it is grayed out until Design Options are enabled.

[Alfredo_Medina]

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@mhiserZFHXS wrote:

There is no way to automatically filter by design option, which I agree would be nice. But filtering by other means is available and I'd hardly call it a "workaround" if that's what you are going to imply. But go ahead and post "filter by design option" to the idea board. I'll be your first vote.

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Yes, there is. From the schedule view, go to Properties. Find the Visibility Graphics button. Then, from the Design Options tab, make your choice. The schedule will show only elements in that design option.

[dnardiYNTMG]

In the schedule, in Proprieties, Visibility/Graphics Overrides select the Option you want to show. Then duplicate the Schedule for the other Options. (R2023) Hope this helps!

[Alfredo_Medina]

@dnardiYNTMG , isn't that the same that was said in the previous post?

[mhiserZFHXS]

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@joseph.wrightZ567H wrote:
How do you filter a schedule to include only those elements that are within the Design Option?

Or do you mean - no, but you can set up a filter using mark, comment, workset etc?

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@Alfredo_Medinaand @dnardiYNTMG 

You guys seriously need to read all of the posts before you comment. @joseph.wrightZ567H wanted to show ONLY the elements within a certain design option and to exclude the main model. The only way to do this is with a filter. Using the V/G settings shows everything within the selected design option AND the main model.

[Alfredo_Medina]

No, the "only way to do this" is not with a filter. It can be done with the visibility graphics option from the schedule. Simply move elements that you don't want to see from the primary option to a new option, keeping the primary empty. 

Your comment about not reading all of the posts is not necessary. I've been posting here long enough to know how this works.

[joseph.wrightZ567H]

@Alfredo_Medina  / @dnardiYNTMG 

What you both describe will show elements in that design option and all the main model elements that are not part of the design option. I have 1200 doors in a project and a design option that would add 20. I needed to create a door schedule of only the 20 doors within the design option (for commercials to price what was extra). Both your solutions, and Revit's Design Option visibility, only allow for producing a schedule of either the 1200 doors (no Design Option chosen) or 1220 doors (Design Option chosen). Nothing that will schedule ONLY the doors in the design option.

As an example I set up a model with one door with a design option for an additional door. You can see from the schedule where I choose the Design Option that it clearly schedules two doors and not just the one in the Design Option - which is the subject of my query and which @mhiserZFHXS is referring to. Any solution involving copying everything to another option and keeping the primary empty is simply not viable on any working project of any real scale. Particularly when 100s of drawings with annotations, dimensions etc. exist. 

Simple workaround was to select all doors in the design option and add a Comment / Mark, then filter the schedule this way and I got what I needed. Still think this feature could be improved in Revit.

[mhiserZFHXS]

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@Alfredo_Medina wrote:

No, the "only way to do this" is not with a filter. It can be done with the visibility graphics option from the schedule. Simply move elements that you don't want to see from the primary option to a new option, keeping the primary empty. 

Your comment about not reading all of the posts is not necessary. I've posting here long enough to know how this works.

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Again, that will still show items in the main model, which the user I was responding to DOES NOT WANT. So yes, you should be reading all of the comments before you add your own, because you are operating with incomplete information.

If you DID read the response, and are still insisting that your solution is correct, then I'm sorry, but its not. Go do it right now. Using the V/G overrides shows everything in the chosen design option AND THE MAIN MODEL. Not just the design option.

I just did this for a project. We had an additional schedule to show doors in an alternate bid, which was done with a design option. I changed the design option in the v/g overrides to show the alternate bid, and then I had to add a filter to remove everything that was in the main model.

[Alfredo_Medina]

It can be done with just design options in a schedule, as I said before. It can also be done with filters using values in parameters, as you said. There is not only one way to do it. 

[mhiserZFHXS]

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@Alfredo_Medina wrote:

It can be done with just design options in a schedule, as I said before. It can only be done with filters using values in parameters, as you said. There is not only one way to do it. 

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Cool. Right now, go set the V/G settings in a schedule to a specific design option. Does it ONLY show the elements that are within the design option, or does it show the elements in the design option AND the main model? Spoiler, it shows both, not just the design option.

I get that you know your stuff. You've been around a long time, and you're correct 99% of the time. That's why it is particularly problematic when you continuously insist you are correct on something without clearly going to check for yourself. You're going to really confuse folks that aren't as experienced as you. Its okay to be wrong. Its not okay to repeatedly refuse to acknowledge that you've made a mistake.

[ToanDN]

@joseph.wrightZ567H 

Here is how you do it:

- Create another Option Set and name it Main Model

- Create two Options in Main Model set: Elements and No Elements.

- Send all main model elements to Main Model set > Elements option.

- Open your schedule > VG > Design Options > Set Main Model set to No Element option, set your Design Option set to whatever option you want to show in schedule.  Now your schedule only shows elements in the chosen Design option(s) and no Main Model elements.