Cut wall inside beam and columns

[Anonymous]

Hi everyone

when I place the beams and columns, I can still see the part or the wall inside the columns and beams, they are not cutting automatically. Is there a way to delete/cut the walls out from the beams and columns?

[constantin.stroescu · Accepted solution]

use Join tool: Geometry > Join >Join Geometry ...if the way it joins do not satisfy you then use Switch Join Order

[RDAOU · Accepted solution]

Hi Marie Joe

I would assume you are using architectural walls with Structural beams and columns...

Select the walls you are working with, then check the Structural option in the Properties palette.. this will force walls beams and columns to cut/join one another.

Then use the Switch Join order (you can use Multiple pick option from the option bar) and switch join prioroty ... you should have something to the following screencast

Once you are done...reselect the walls and uncheck the structural option to switch them back to architectural walls

[Anonymous]

Thank you both @constantin.stroescu and @RDAOU ....both work more or less the same. But I seem to have a problem still. Even when joined, the wall schedule is still showing the same quantities like as it they were not joined/cut!

is this only visual? Or is there a way to also delete the cut quantity from the wall schedule?

[constantin.stroescu]

Not quite......But it depends much if the Wall is Architectural or Structural...

If Architectural then the Schedule can make the substraction of materials - as can be seen in my screencast.

If Structural Wall , then the substraction is not made....

Structural Wall  + Structural Columns

Architectural Wall +Structural Columns

[RDAOU · Accepted solution]

@Anonymous

When using wall schedules (quatity and/or takeoff)...as long as 1 layer of the wall remains continuos (not cut by the columns/beams) Revit will continue to compute the wall as a whole element. Example: if you have a plaster/stucco/brick layer which you left running to cover the column/beam ie: the area os the cut core will remain unchanged and cut part not deducted. The accuricy of the take-off schedule is always dependant on the level of detail used.

There are two ways to the above.

1. I deally; to have a more accurate take-off quantities I model walls to the closest way they are built. ie: iI do not etirely rely on the multy layer feature of the wall tool to create the complete built up section...In other words I would model the finish layers & the core as two separate walls. Then I would use Join tool to join them and allow inserts to cut through both...going down this road means that one has to model inserts as well as other wall based elements differently (more detailed to fit the purpose)
2. The easy way out is to convert the walls to parts and then take-off parts...this will take-off the quantities of the the parts as they are (ie: cut). Although I use parts a lot - namely when phasing - I try to avoid it when it comes to take-offs ... I wouldn't want to convert everything to parts just for scheduling or to avoid modeling more detailed elements.

Up to you which method to pick

IMAGE 1: Scheduling Parts vs Original Wall - notice in the wall schedule the cuts remain not deducted

IMAGE 2:  Wall modeled using two separate walls joined

 

[Anonymous · Accepted solution]

This was a good option. But the problem remains the same when we receive the file from an architect to a structural engineer or from a structural engineer to an Architect. now there will be 2 different files. At this time we will link the files from each other. At this time how can we use the same option with the link files?

[RDAOU]

@Anonymous 

I just got notified of both a reply and a solution to this old post...I am not sure now if your reply is a solution or it is another question and how was it accepted as a solution maybe the @Discussion_Admin can figure that out

There are lots of posts on this forum discussing Join Issues between Host and Linked models; nonetheless, to understand the issue you are having more clearly, would you be so kind in starting a new post and describing the nature of the problem in detail and what takes priority over what? maybe with some screenshots?

Cheers

[Anonymous]

Sorry to Interrupt your speech, I also tried to managed to cut the wall upon the pillar , but using the method of check structural and architectural didn t work for me , and also using join...switch order.

[Anonymous]

[Anonymous]

https://www.revitcity.com/forums.php?action=viewthread&thread_id=33633

[studioZEUUW]

i find it is not possible to select a structural framing element for a join operation. 

[Gert_StrydomYC2UA]

Thank you RDAOU, this was extremely helpful!