Cut Profile not working properly

[Anonymous]

Hello everybody,

I've been testing this both on Revit 2018 and 2019 and there is something I'm not getting. The file attached (Revit 2018) shows the typical condition in which two external walls meet at the corner and there is a column that needs to be boxed out using the tool "architectural column" - refer to Livello 1 (Level 1) plan view.

Once done the above, I've created the detail view "Profilo di taglio" (Cut profile) and started playing with the cut profile tool for both the two walls.

Even though the tool works fine using the option "Surfaces", as you can see there is no boundary line on one of the two profiles created (after a quick test I can tell that the visible profile is the one of the latter modified wall - you can try yourself editing the sketch of the cut profile).

Furthermore, it seems to be impossible to pick the cross hatched part of the architectural column that works as a box-out for the steel column. The only selectable element of that items is the finish layer.

Does anybody have an idea on why Revit behaves like that?  🤔

[RDAOU]

@Anonymous 

The missing graphics is due to the inner finish layer, the join the geometry of the concrete column and wall and the limitations of the tool Cut Profile.

You are using the Cut Profile for the wrong purpose. This tool has ..this tool is not meant for boxing out concrete columns! its more of a tool to create details such as Keyway slots in a foundation/retaining wall connection detail. Moreover, the cut profile modification is not reflect on the 3D (It applies to 2D views)

To do what you are doing need to use either of the following:

1. Use Parts...Split and exclude and/or unlock shape handles to adjust layers as per the detail you need to achieve
2. Use a Void family (Wall/Face/Line based generic family) and cut out the portions required to box out either of the 2 columns
3. If it is a sectional detail you can unlock the layers of the wall from type properties

[ToanDN]

You can add a masking region in the structural column family, set it to visible to Fine detail level, associate with the column dimensions.  Attached is the 2020 file.

[RDAOU]

That too much work and 2D elements to force use a tool do what it is not meant to do

To box out you need to cut 1 layer partially and one layer entirely and that tool does not allow for the latter...why not do it properly?

[ToanDN]

I did it in less than one minute so it certainly not too much work compare to creating parts to every column in a project. 

If I needed to do it properly (for correct 3d and/or material take-off), I would not use architectural columns, but draw actual furring walls around the structural columns like they would be done in reality.  Given the fact the @Anonymous is using Cut profile too already, I assume he is not too concerned about 3d and material take-off.

[RDAOU]

@ToanDN 

Topic: Cut Profile Not working properly

Reason: using the wrong tool for the specified task

Suggesting that it can be covered up with regions is add wrong and not added value; regardless if that takes 1 minute or 30 minutes. besides 1 minute by 30 columns similar to that = waste of effort...

"how you would do it" would have been a better recommendation from an expert than a filled region 😉

PS: one does not need to wrap an exterior column with 4 furring walls, in reality they are boxed out and cladded only from the interior. 

[ToanDN]

Parts and Detail Components are just tools. They are different tools and neither are wrong if they can be used properly.

P/S: Never said 4 furring walls. That condition only needs two and everyone knows that.

[Anonymous]

Thanks a lot for all the suggestions.

Must tell you the whole story. I'm not trying to achieve anything in particular but just testing something I've seen on a video tutorial (link below, see minute 2:10).

Revit - Cut Profile

With regards to your tips, I'd definitely go for the "adding masking region" solution if I had to. Not interested to any materials take-off and if I were to do it in a real project I'd certainly model the furring as separate walls, which is what I've always done on any project I've worked no. 

To summarise: you are saying that what the guy is doing in his video tutorial cannot be achieved. How did he manage to then?

[ToanDN]

He can do because he doesn't have the interior finish layer.

[Anonymous]

That means he is not using the Architectural Column tool...?!? I'm confused 🤔

[ToanDN]

He is using the arch columm. The interior finish layer is inherited fron the walls when they are joined with the column.

[Anonymous]

Tested it again. See updated model attached.

If you refer to the column at grids 1-2 intersection you'll see I've edited the wall type deleting the finish layer and it works as per your previous indications. However, if you refer to the new column (grids intersection 1-3), you'll see that the cut profile tool has worked fine even if there is an internal finish applied to the walls. The only thing that is still missing is the boundary line of one of the 2 walls cut profiles created (the first of the two). 

That confuses me ALOT...

[RDAOU]

@arch.piacentini 

The tool Cut Profile is good and useful you are just putting it into the wrong use...when used properly it can give you nice results without having to resort to Filled Regions:

• Cut Profile Tool is not the suitable tool when using 1 multi layer compound wall
• Cut Profile does not allow to cut through the layer/profile entirely hence causing some graphical issues when used with a compound wall with multiple layers
• CUT PROFILE works perfectly well when you use 2xCompound walls joined
• CUT PROFILE works perfectly well when you use it with Wall Parts
• If you use Parts + Architectural Column to box out the steel structure, You do not need Cut Profile at all
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