Curtain Wall Panel with Trapezoidal Top

[Anonymous]

I'm trying to develop a trapezoidal family for curtain walls that works in place of a residential window system (out-to-outs schedule, no Revit mullions). I'm trying to start very simple here, with just having the top of a 4-sided window slope to any condition where it is sloped in a curtain wall, i.e. up at sloped roofs or gables. However, I can't seem to put this panel in the system and have it adapt like the glazing and solid panels already in Revit? I'm really not sure what I am missing here, the family works and is very simple...

[loboarch]

Could this be done with just an embedded curtain wall with the profile edited?

Or is there a reason it has to be done with a true "window" family?  Or maybe I did not understand the exact issue? 

[Anonymous]

The embedded CW profile is already edited - I'm trying to use the family I've developed within that, without using any mullions.

[barthbradley]

Why don't you just make a mullion profile of your window frame in your CP family, and use that to create Vertical and Horizontal mullions of your embedded curtain wall ? Then embed glazing panels? 

[Anonymous]

I know that I could do that, but specifically would like this panel to be one unit out-to-out, with no mullions that push and undersize glass panels for scheduling. The unit should be a "curtain wall panel" even though I'm calling it a window (it is not a Revit "window"). The mullion profile is already embedded in the panel, it's just that I can't get it to adapt to slopes.

[ToanDN]

Nest another curtain wall type inside the main one.  Use detail components when you need to show the correct profile on detail drawings.

[Anonymous]

Interesting approach - not exactly what I was trying to do, though better than where I was at. So I'm wondering - is there just no way to way to make a curtain wall panel that isn't square except for what Revit has coded by default (glazing, solid)?

[ToanDN]

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@Anonymous wrote:

Interesting approach - not exactly what I was trying to do, though better than where I was at. So I'm wondering - is there just no way to way to make a curtain wall panel that isn't square except for what Revit has coded by default (glazing, solid)?

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The height of the panel is governed by the top horizontal reference plane.  You need to lock the angle planes to it somehow.

[Anonymous]

I can't get the angle parameter to the top horizontal to work, whether as an instance or a reporting parameter. I started trying to do this with 2 different instance height parameters, one for each corner - family works well, but is there a way to tie this back to the horizontal correctly to work as the curtain panel?

[ToanDN]

I see. So a custom panel is not allowed in a non-rectangular cell.  Period.

Edit:

Don't edit profile and create the curtain panel family with different heights for either sides and enter them case by case in project.

Or create a 4-point adaptive family and manually snap to the corners of the trapezoid in project.

[Anonymous]

Ok - what I feared (wishlist item if they could code this is in), but I think I'll try the nested CW for the time being.