Cureved and Soping Roof

[PhilvK]

Can anyone direct me to a tutorial video that shows how you would go about creating a sloped elliptical roof that curves in the Z plane? I also created walls with the Curtain System but don’t see a way to extend them to the roof as “normal” wall would. What am I missing there please? Thanks!

[constantin.stroescu · Accepted solution]

• One solution can be a combination of Roof by Extrusion with Curtain System by Face:

1. Roof by Extrusion, cutted by a Component > Model in Place >Family Category and Parameters > Roof >Extrusion - Void
2. Curtain System by Face , using a Conceptual Mass > In-Place Mass ( a combination of Solid Form with a Void Form

as can be seen in my rough screencast:

https://screencast.autodesk.com/Main/Details/a4d15da3-caab-42e4-90ef-b94f8611862c

• Another solution will be using:

1. Roof by Face based on a Conceptual Mass - this method allows more complicated roof shapes...
2. and a Curtain System by Face , using a Conceptual Mass > In-Place Mass - as in the first solution...

[chrisplyler]

Very nice answer, Constantin.

[PhilvK]

Awesome Constantin! Thank you very much.

[PhilvK]

Constantin - I am playing around with forms created as you show in the screencast. When trying to move the roof mass created, I don't get any snapping to the corners of my mass while in 3D. Is there a setting I need to look at?

[PhilvK]

Constantin – I have my roof created perfectly based on the 1st part of your video (thank you again), but am having difficulty understanding just exactly what you are doing at the 8 minute mark of your video. Up to that point, you created a mass and assigned curtain wall properties to it, correct? Then it appears you are editing that mass in place by creating a Void mass (or is a component?). In any case, I cannot get a void to work by which I can cut my curtain wall mass. I even tried doing it prior to assigning the curtain wall properties to it, but I get a message that the void I created doesn’t cut anything and therefore is not being created. Is there any way you could give a brief explanation of what your are doing at that point? Thank you very much!!

[chrisplyler]

Create it as a solid form for first. Then select it, and in the properties, change it to a void form. Then use the cut tool to tell it what to cut.

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[constantin.stroescu]

as Chris already said  ...(in min 7,47 )create first a Solid Form and then, (in min 8,07) after streching to fit the other form ( in the same session)  turn it into Void Form....

[PhilvK]

I am still not doing something correctly. See sketch below:

1 – I created the mass that will become the curtain wall / storefront. (Curtain Wall and Storefront seem to be different things that I need to check into).

2 – This is the roof I created

3 – This is the form I created by modeling a component in place, and the resulting message when I try to “finish” it. It says "Some Void Forms of this family do not cut anything and will be deleted....etc."

What am I missing?

[PhilvK]

Guys - Thank you for your help, I got it by editing the mass in place and then applying the curtain wall propoerties to the mass. Now if I can figure out how to place a door in a sloping curtain wall!

[chrisplyler]

Yeah... I've removed a couple of segments and mullions in preparation for a door, and loaded the OOTB single-glass curtain door family, but when I try to change the panel type from glazed to the door, it won't make. I get the "can't make it, you moron" error dialog.

I assume this is because the system is at odd angles in all three xyz directions, and not quare to boot. Maybe if you created your inital mass with at least one bit (the bit you plan to put the door into) perfectly vertical, it might work? I'm going to try that next.

[chrisplyler]

Yes, that works. I used another void to cut a vertical face into one side of the main mass. Now I can change a glazed panel to a door there. But the rest of the system grid/mullions does not line up, and it's over my head to fix that.

[constantin.stroescu]

my opinion is that you have to think in Revit like in real life...

If you have experience in architectural projects you will not try to place doors-with swing leafs  in a curtain wall unless this one is in a Vertical Plane and both (side) jambs are vertical...so don't try to make doors that will be useless or imposible to build in real life...

My conclusion is that for insertig doors it is necessary that in the area of insertion to have :

• Vertical Plane
• Vertical side Grids 

[PhilvK]

Thank you both for your replies. My question was more rhetorical and probably a little misleading. I kinda new that a another mass would have to be created to insert the door into so it would indeed be “real life”. It was probably wishful thinking that there was a magical Revit approach.