Crown moulding in RCP getting "overwritten" by underlay

[james.levieux]

Hi All,

I'm having a problem controlling the visibility of my RCP crown molding (drawn using a railing) when an underlay is present.  The first three plans are correct.  In the last plan 4, the crown molding appears to be not visible.

The crown molding is actually showing in drawing 4 but it is very faint (much fainter than the halftone for some reason).  It seem as if it has been overwritten by the crown molding for some reason even though the crown molding is (of course) not shown in the floor plan.  You can see it faint lines in the enlarged screen shot. When I disable the underlay in drawing 4, it looks exactly like drawing 3.

Any ideas?  It's pretty frustrating since, by definition, and underlay is supposed to stay "under" stuff....AND there's no reason for the crown molding to be present in the floor plan underlay!

[barthbradley]

post the file.  

[David_Knight]

I'm confused as to why its even visible in 3 as railings do not display in reflected ceiling plan views.

[james.levieux]

Glad to have your interest Barth.  Thank you.

[james.levieux]

They'll show if you draw them up there really high!  We have to do this all the time because, as interior architects, we can't apply sweeps to the walls in the architect's linked model.

James

[David_Knight]

I took a look. I got them to show up doing this:

1) Kick the upper range higher for the elevated ceiling in view 4.

2) You have an override on the ceiling in view 4 - reset it.

[ToanDN]

Like this?

[barthbradley]

Is this what you are after?  

Plan Region: 

[barthbradley]

Wait a minute. Plan 4?  Turn off your Ceiling.  

[barthbradley]

Oops. Stepped on what @David_Knight already said hours ago.  😉

[David_Knight]

I started to think I misunderstood the question actually. lol.

[james.levieux]

Hi y'all,

Nice to have the full Revit brain trust on this one.  Thank you.  However, none of this helps.  The correct appearance should be a full-tone crown molding in drawing 4.  That's all I'm trying to achieve, but cannot for whatever reason.  I did clear the override on the ceiling but that didn't help either.

ToanDN was able to make the the crown molding appear half-tone.  I've been able to replicate this by putting both the TOP and the VIEW DEPTH both above the ceiling heith (10').  However, the desired result is a full tone-line for the RCP (because halftone indicates that it is part of the underlay, which is incorrect).  Also if both the TOP and VIEW DEPTH are above the crown molding, the molding will not show when the underlay is disabled.  For the molding to show, the TOP must be below the railing profile and the VIEW depth must be above.  

Barth has made the molding appear on the floor plan which is not the intent.

I'm beginning to think that a correct view is not possible.  Overriding the element in the view isn't possible either.

[ToanDN · Accepted solution]

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@james.levieux wrote:

However, the desired result is a full tone-line for the RCP (because halftone indicates that it is part of the underlay, which is incorrect).  Also if both the TOP and VIEW DEPTH are above the crown molding, the molding will not show when the underlay is disabled.  For the molding to show, the TOP must be below the railing profile and the VIEW depth must be above.  

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That is the limitation of railing.  If the graphic is important to you then use a beam family, or roof fascia hosted on model lines, or an in place sweep.

[james.levieux]

Thanks ToanDN,

Structural framing does solve the full-tone problem.  It seems to be too difficult to easily draw framing with mitered connections so it seems to me that the only way to reliably draw a crown molding (inside a linked model) is to draw as an in-place model in category Generic Model (It should be in casework category, but again, Revit has a weird glitch with casework that makes it always show on the floor plan).

I'll add this to my long list of special categories/tools needed by interior architects so we can actually do work ; )

[james.levieux]

I take that back.  In-place models won't work for us because they don't play nice in groups.  They generate a new separate family when the group containing the family is copied. 

[ToanDN]

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@james.levieux wrote:

I take that back.  In-place models won't work for us because they don't play nice in groups.  They generate a new separate family when the group containing the family is copied. 

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Use beams with model behavior set to Concrete then they miter automatically.  Or fascia on model lines.

[james.levieux]

Thanks ToanDN,

Using concrete beams does solve one problem but introduces others.  The main problem is that the beam/crown profile is drawn centered on the draw line so, after placement, the beam/crown must be moved to align the edge of the beam/crown to the face of the wall.  If I try to modify the profile to move the profile off-center it causes the the mitering feature to break.  Also, If the profile can't be moved off center, that means we won't be able to us the "pick lines" feature to add a curved beam/crown to the face of a wall.  

This could work fairly well if there was a way to offset the profile from center and keep the mitering.  Note that the profile draw line is centered, but if the body of the profile is in just one quadrant, the miter fails.

[ToanDN]

Keep the profile on center in the beam family. 

When draw the beams, set y Justification to Left or Right of you want to draw beam from the edge, not the center.  Similarly, z Justification can be set to Top or Bottom.

[barthbradley]

Just out of curiosity, why not a Wall Sweep?  

[james.levieux]

Believe me, I would LOVE to use wall sweeps. However, because we're interior architects, we can't apply wall sweeps to the walls in the architect's linked model.  We could copy/monitor all the walls, but the number of coordination review events makes that not viable.