Crop View or Scope Boxes?

[ben]

I have a building with different areas (A,B,C, & D) and all areas are perfect squares. Honest opinion on what everyone prefers: Crop View or Section Boxes? They both achieve the same goal, just wondering which one everyone prefers and why.

[martijn_pater]

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@ben wrote:

They both achieve the same goal...

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No, they don't. Or at least, it depends on what your goal is...

[ben]

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@martijn_pater wrote:

it depends on what your goal is...

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To get separate floor plan views of areas A, B, C, & D.

[hmunsell]

for a building with different areas as you describe....

• make named Scope boxes for each area
• Id use use the Duplicate as a Dependent option to make my area views for a Plan view
• assign the appropriate scope box to each dependent view
• use the Apply Dependent Views tool to copy the depend views to other Plan views.

https://autode.sk/2Xfmotc

[ben]

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@hmunsell wrote:

for a building with different areas as you describe....

• make named Scope boxes for each area
• Id use use the Duplicate as a Dependent option to make my area views for a Plan view
• assign the appropriate scope box to each dependent view
• use the Apply Dependent Views tool to copy the depend views to other Plan views.

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I haven't gotten very far into this project yet. So far I've only had to make one set of sheets for it.

• I did duplicate as dependent & named each dependent for it's respective area
• On the one set of sheets I've made so far I did crop the views
• I was just about to make another set of sheets and thought to myself "If I make section boxes for each area, then I can just apply the section box to each view instead of resizing the crop view each time, and that'll save me time in the long run."
• I've never heard of the apply dependent views tool before though. 

[hmunsell]

we don't typically do a lot of buildings with a lot of levels, but we do often have large floor plans with many areas. the Apply Dependent View saves a lot of time. see the video i attached to the other post where i show it :-).

[ben]

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@hmunsell wrote:

we don't typically do a lot of buildings with a lot of levels, but we do often have large floor plans with many areas.

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I should've mentioned that this building has both; multiple levels (5), and has a very large floor plan. I'll check out that video too. Thank you!

[ben]

Just for the heck of it I tried to Apply Dependent Views and got this:

Warning

[hmunsell]

Interesting.... I have only seen that when all my plan views already had dependent views set up. Do you already have dependent views on your plans? 

[ben]

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@hmunsell wrote:

Interesting.... I have only seen that when all my plan views already had dependent views set up. Do you already have dependent views on your plans? 

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I only have dependent views on a couple of views

[martijn_pater]

You can use scope boxes for consistency in the drawings, but actually you might ask if they are different 'scopes' within the project otherwise you could adjust the crop regions... Guess it depends on what you're after... Also are these area's next to each other, on top of each other... ?

Actually you might use Matchlines in order to devide a drawing into several sub-drawings...
https://knowledge.autodesk.com/support/revit-products/learn-explore/caas/CloudHelp/cloudhelp/2020/EN...

[hmunsell]

making the dependent views is one of the first things I/my Project BIM Coordinators do when we start a project. Sounds like a possible bug that it is not letting you make them. I'm assuming it would be too much work to delete the Dependent views you currently have and remake them 😉. 

As a test:

• copy the file and open it detached
• delete the existing dependent views
• make new ones
• try to use the Apply Dependent Views tool. 

[ben]

@martijn_pater 

The size of the project is too big to fit on one sheet, so it's broken down into 4 areas. It's 5 stories high and each level has the same areas. (Level 1: Area A, B, C, & D; Level 2: Area A, B, C, & D; etc...) Like stacking 5 slices of bread; each slice being a level. Then cutting the stack into quarters; each quarter being an area. Each level I have to cut down into an 4 different areas.

I've used both methods crop & section box. Just wondering what everyone prefers and why.

[ToanDN · Accepted solution]

Scope boxes. Especially if your projects have a large floor plate and many levels because you can assign a scope box to multiple views.

[RobDraw · Accepted solution]

Scope boxes.

[ben]

@RobDraw & @ToanDN I was switching some previous views from crop to scope & just realized that scope boxes don't cut out annotations from areas outside the scope box (it cuts out tags, just not text notes), so I still have to do an annotation crop. Or is there a was to get scope boxes to cut out the text annotations too?

[ToanDN · Accepted solution]

A scope box is to make the model crop size consistent for multiple views. You still need to turn ON and adjust the Annotation crop as you would without a scope box.

[martijn_pater]

Well for breaking it into 4 area's since it's to big to fit one sheet in general you would use Matchlines and Dependant views, that's what these are for basically. Although in your case it seems, these are four square/rectangular area's, so it's a bit more straight-forward perhaps and you could do without them. However when you have angles in the floorplans it's the way to go surely. As mentioned for consistency across views you would use scope boxes, i.e. same area across multiple levels, however scopeboxes are always rectangular/box-like... not an issue in your case, but in any case you might still use Matchlines and View References to indicate the adjoining plans on sheet...

[ben]

@martijn_pater I am using dependent views & matchlines. I was just wondering what everyone's take was on how to size down those dependent views.

[matt.hand52]

I am a massive fan of Scope Boxes. Working on the MEP side, setup is made so much easier when I can uniformly crop all my MEP Views to the same consistent View Area by using Scope Boxes. This is also massively helpful when working on multi-level projects to Apply Dependent Views across all levels and have my "sector" plans created and cropped in 1 fell swoop.

Quick question though: I seem to remember using the "Apply Dependent Views" process and the newly created Dependents were still hard-assigned to the Scope Box from the original Dependent views it was applied from. Now, the Views are still cropped to the area of my Scope Box, but that Scope Box is not applied... Am I missing something?