Creating a wall fire rating Legend

[Sahay_R]

I am transferring our old drafting view based keys - which were created directly from the old CAD - to a Revit legend.

Poll - what would you do? Create this at 1/8 or 1/4 scale and drag a typical wall from the Project Browser? Or would you rather take the easy way out and draw lines / masking regions?

Do let me know!!

[bimscape · Accepted solution]

No details lines or masking regions- don't you dare!

Fire Rating properties in the Wall Types and then combined use of:-

-Filters (to draw each different rated wall in a different line style / colour / etc

-Custom Wall Tag: To demarcate each Wall Type

-Legend: To have a key to the different types

[barthbradley]

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@bimscape wrote:

-Custom Wall Tag: To demarcate each Wall Type

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But tags don't work in Legend View. Or am I misunderstanding? 

[Sahay_R]

@bimscape - aaawww Ian - you're no fun!

Also - when you create the legend, do you use one of the wall types existing in the template, or do you create a generic type?

@barthbradley - That is one of the strengths of Legends - you can drag tag families over so that they look correct, rather than cobbling them together.

[barthbradley]

I'm talking about the act of tagging - not placing symbols (e.g. a Wall Tag).  

[ToanDN · Accepted solution]

You can drag a tag symbol to a legend view, so that you create legend of tags, but you cannot tag any element in a legend view.  I think that is what @barthbradley said.

I have a legend shows wall tape graphics and explanation of what the tag means.  I don't tag anything in the legend view.

[kimbD79KU]

Got a question...is your fire tape part of your wall type or just a dumb line or other?

[barthbradley]

Component: Detail Item - Line Based arraying symbol. 

[ToanDN]

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@kimbD79KU wrote:

Got a question...is your fire tape part of your wall type or just a dumb line or other?

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To whom should your question address?

[barthbradley]

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@ToanDNwrote:

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To whom should your question address?

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No matter. I'm curious about other workflows too.

Always learning.

[Sahay_R]

Ideally - should be a part of the wall type. Either that, or added by graphic overrides in a filter.

[kimbD79KU]

Yea, that is what we do.  For our floor plans we just group all the repeating detail Fire lines and copy them to what ever plan we need them seen on.  The hatch pattern in the wall method is not always clear.  Our Fire lines have graphic text in them and have found them to be much clearer in relaying information.

[Anonymous]

I am interested in this Idea. Still trying to develop our new standards since we have recently switched to revit. Could you post a screen shot or 2 showing how it looks when completed?

Do you mean you copy and paste the grouped detail lines to different views? For example, create the group on the a floor plan view, then copy and past to Life Safety view, ceiling plan, etc...?

It seems like a lot of work but may be the only way to get the "graphic aesthetic" our leadership desires right now. It seems like Revit could add symbolic line work parameter embedded into wall types that could be set to the center of the "core".......

[kimbD79KU]

Here is snip of a 1/16" scale life safety plan and the same location at 1/8" for regular floor plans. E2 denotes existing 2 hour and it is created with a repeating detail.
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[Sahay_R]

@Anonymous - please, no copy and paste of detail lines. When you start a legend, you can drag tag, annotation, door, and window families directly over from the Project Browser. You can also drag Wall Types over from the Project Browser and Revit will give you a nice little wall swatch in the legend.Doors and windows will offer you the option to create a plan or elevation view.

[Anonymous]

Thanks . But the images aren't displaying for some reason.

[Anonymous]

I understand, but I may not have a choice. I have had a hard time finding the custom .pat files to create the 1 HR, 2 HR pattern to fill the walls with. And our principles aren't real keen on the "look" of the drawings using pattern fills.....

I would be greatly appreciative to anyone who would like to share their .pat files with me...... 

[Anonymous]

CTC has a great tools to do fire ratings.

https://www.ctcexpresstools.com/product/bim-project-suite-2019/#fireRating

Really, Revit should just have better tools, using Filters is not really that clear or useful if you can't print in color.

[Sahay_R]

@Anonymous - you will need to create filters to display the walls with the correct fill. Add a parameter to the wall types, give it a value for rated walls, and filter Walls for that value. You will need a separate filter for each value and then override the cut pattern with the rating cut pattern, and the filters will be controlled by the view template. That way you will only see the rating fills in the life safety plans.