create rotated construction/sketch planes ?

[cekuhnen]

How can you rotate sketch planes in Revit so you can create pipe structures like legs for a chair which are not going

along the typical xyz directions?

In Inventor or Fusion 360 I would create a sketch plane at an angle and thats it.

I noticed that for example all Herman Miller furniture products are rebuild right inside Revit utilizing such rotated planes.

[cekuhnen]

here for example are some screenshots:

you can see the sketch/working plane clearly being at an angle

and it looks sketching in Revit is so cripled that one needs to offset the start and end profiles fromt the sweep path to get the look of the part being sweeped along a true 3d path.

[scott_d_davis]

Create Reference Lines in Revit.  Ref Lines are different from Ref Planes in that they have start and end points and can be drawn in 3D space. Ref Planes are drawn in planer views, ie plan, section, elevtion.

[cekuhnen]

how can you draw it in 3D space? I can only draw 2D reference lines.

[scott_d_davis]

Start a new Conceptual Mass Family, place a Ref Line with the 3D Snapping option turned on.

Conceptual Mass editor is a bit more powerful than other family types

[cekuhnen]

The mass editor can be used to also make furniture families?

[Alaaeldin_Alsahli]

Mass element can't be use within the family since you have the option to creat solid forms.

My question for 3d refrence plane, is your family a build-in family or a loadable family?

[cekuhnen]

I am not sure if I follow your family question. What are those two family types you mentioned?

All I need to figure out is how I could create a pipe system like in this screenshot:

As you can see the Path in rhino is not planar and goes into all 3 directions. To build this in Fusion I have no clue how to do.

Break it up into 3 sections for each planar part a sketch plane on their own and how the ends will later line up?

[Alaaeldin_Alsahli]

Did you create the family from Revit-new-family and you are modeled it and then it is loaded into the project (loadable)

Or

you have an open project then you went to the architect tab--Component--Model in place (build-in)

just wanted to be sure you family is loadable or build in family

[cekuhnen]

I build a family so architects can load the furniture file into their scene.

[Alaaeldin_Alsahli]

I am uploading a video that will show you how to do this path in Revit, it should be ready in 5 mins

[Alaaeldin_Alsahli · Accepted solution]

I hope this will help you, Please watch it till the end since I had an error message while selecting the path what I had to do to workaround it

https://screencast.autodesk.com/Main/Details/342c2342-c037-45ed-9c3c-78a456361657

[Alaaeldin_Alsahli]

Just a follow up if this helped?

[cekuhnen]

Hi Alaaeldin,

Yes the video helped - confirming that also Revit like Fusion or Inventor are rather 2D planar sketch engines with features lacking the ability to really sketch in 3D space like in Rhino or Alias.

The video showed a process I was using as a workaround before but as it seems this is currently the only way I even have to do it.

Thank you very much!

[Alaaeldin_Alsahli · Accepted solution]

I guess if this feature is in Revit no one will buy Inventor 🙂

[Alaaeldin_Alsahli]

You could always log a wishlist for this feature

here is the link

http://usa.autodesk.com/adsk/servlet/index?siteID=123112&id=1109794

[cekuhnen]

well Inventor and Revit serve different needs but how am I as a designer supposed to rebuild my furniture for architects / interior designers when Revit is pretty basic at this only when it comes to forms which are not planar. ...

[cekuhnen]

the link does not work

[Alaaeldin_Alsahli]

Revit is not design to create detailed element. Usually Revit Family should be less complex and simplified to help Revit to handle the entire elements within the project to optimize its speed. More details the heavier revit goes. 

Where Inventor is more of a detailed design, where everything needs to be created from scratch, from part by part to an assembly. 

A detail chair like the one you propose should be created in inventor unless is simplified

[Alaaeldin_Alsahli]

it is wierd that the link is not working, try to google autodesk feedback form and you should get the first result as the link