Copying Ceiling Tags

[koert.vynckier]

I'm finding that copying Ceiling Tags can produce undesirable results. Revit has a hard time finding the right ceiling. When you have varying ceiling heights you can't count on the Tags even showing the correct ceiling height. You can activate all the leaders and check if the arrows lead to the correct sketch boundary, but that's more work than it should be. You can also check the host one by one, but again not something you'll like to do when you need to finish up somebody elses plans.

When you copy a Ceiling Tag, Revit doesn't always find the correct ceiling. Sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn't, sometime it refuses to copy the Tag altogether. I've include a simple metric project with an  example of the problem and two screenshots that should show how to replicate the problem.

Why would you want to copy a Tag instead of using "Tag all"? Well, because "Tag all" just throws those Tags onto the plan. The Tag might hide certain lighting fixtures, it might not be positioned on the actual ceiling when the centre of gravity is outside of the sketch and can show the wrong height anyway. You'd have to check every single one which is more work than just placing them one by one in the first place.

Placing them one by is also a pain because you like to have them all nicely aligned to the pattern (especially with ceiling tiles) whiwh is also more work than it should be.

How are you all faring with Ceiling Tags? Happy with the way they work now? 

[ToanDN]

After copy, if the tag does not read the right ceiling, you can select it and Pick new Host the Ribbon.

[koert.vynckier]

The copy should just do a better job of finding the correct corresponding host in the first place. The way it works currently you should only copy a Tag for the position of the Tag and then select each Tags and Select new Host for each just to be sure it's reading the right ceiling.

[ToanDN]

If I copy a tag in a rectangular shaped ceiling to other rectangular shaped ceilings then the tags read the new hosts correctly.  I can't even copy a tag from a rectangular shaped ceiling to a odd shaped ceiling.  The reason could be Revit want to find the location point of the ceiling and it can fall outside of the boundary if the ceiling has an odd shape.

https://knowledge.autodesk.com/community/screencast/f19ffa26-5dca-4f98-9a03-a7ee9809be58

[martijn_pater]

Couldn't you just use create similar for the tag and place it where you want it?

[RDAOU]

That's what I am still trying to get my mind around...I can understand copy/past tags from one view to another (using paste aligned to current view)...but why would one copy and past a single tag in the same view instead of just placing a new tag  or creating similar!

[koert.vynckier]

You want to copy tags (not copy/paste) because that way you can place the Tag exactly where you want it, not breaking up the lines of the tile pattern or possibly even accidentally hiding a lighting fixture or something else equally important.

With Room Tags it works just fine. If it's not in the Room you can use a leader. Ceiling Tags however don't seem to care much for their host, you can place them pretty much anywhere. Putting whatever ceiling height wherever on your plan.

Create similar will place it in the centre of gravity of the ceiling and you have to manually move it to a suitable position, which is more work than just copying from point to point. The downside is that you may be showing the wrong ceiling height.

I wish Ceiling Tags would work as well as Room Tags.

Even Copy paste from one floor to another identical floor can yield mistakes.

No fun.