Copy/Monitor Improvements

Copy/Monitor Improvements

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Copy/Monitor Improvements

bosborne
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Goal: To make the CM/CR process better

In no particular order:
1. Enable Pan/Zoom/Rotate and section box in 3D view during Coordination Review and Copy Monitor modes. Currently only zoom works.
2. Allow cross-category copy/monitor and monitor. There is precedent - columns vs structural columns. What about Roof vs Floor, Ramp vs Floor.
3. Allow shafts to be Copy/Monitored separately rather than simply as Tag-Along elements with a floor this would actually simply things (shaft sketch changed, shaft extents changed, shaft deleted)
4. Allow for a new monitored "rule" (for instance: walls that have name contains "Concrete") - when a new element is created that meets this rule, flag the user during Coordination Review and present the option to Copy Monitor the element
5. Multi-Segment Grids (previously mentioned) currently don't CM
6. Sloped Columns currently don't CM
7. Floors that are below their reference level in the linked file (negative offset) when CM'd result in a positive offset from the level below. This is an error in that if the level below is moved, the floor elevation that results is wrong. The CM should pick up the correct reference level.
8. Allow for mapping of door/windows for wall openings rather than creating a generic "opening" that matches the bounding box of the door/window family. It is only correct about 50% of the time - thus we cannot ever trust it
9. Remove the split columns at level option and replace with split columns at intersecting floors. Matches real world behavior.
10. Expose the Guid of the Monitored element in the linked file to the API.

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3. is doable now. I've done it before but the process is copy the shaft from linked model, paste, then invoke copy/monitor and just monitor those two elements (native and linked shaft). 5. is doable but sucks. have to copy manually, then monitor segments. Less than ideal and won't update. 9. Disagree. I've used that function often for many projects. Please don't remove it. I can see, in some cases, where your suggestion would be usable but don't think the function as it stands is without merit. I would add 11. Improve reporting of changes to slab sketch. "Sketch is different" does nothing and selecting item only zooms to extent of object, not on differences. I've avoided that tool for years due to that problem alone.
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bosborne
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tomAtSera -

For both #3 and #5 - neither can be Copy/Monitored.  It can be manually copied, then monitored, but that is not the same thing as native Copy/Monitor.  I want to CM grids in a consistent manner.  I want to be able to CM shafts by themselves, not Manual Copy, then Manual Monitor.

 

For #9 - I too have used the tool successfully, but in cases where I had nearly identical floor plates at each level, with no intemediate floors or levels that represented something other than a floor.  I guess my hang up has always been when i think about something like a parking garage (sloped ramp floors not at a particular level, intemediate floors halfway between P2 and P3 level, etc...).  If each horizontal floor has a level, I end up with too many cuts on each column (leading to much manual fixing).  If I only put levels at primary floors, I end up missing column cuts or having cuts at the wrong elevation (leading to manual fixing).  As I see it - the intent is that columns (concrete columns primarily) get cut at intersecting floors (consistent with the form and pour schedule).  But Revit CM uses the levels (an imaginary thing) as a sort of proxy to cut the column rather than using the actual physical thing that we likely intend to have act as a separator for column cuts.  Frankly i would be ok with it being left in there and supplemented with a "Cut with floors" option as well.  I basically ended up building a Dynamo tool that does all of the colun cutting for me using intersection with cast in place concrete floors and bypassing metal deck and slab on grade floors.

 

Your #11 suggestion would be awesome - show us exactly how the sketch changed (or give us the Element ID of the sketch line that was modified).  I think if my #1 suggestion were implemented, we would at least have the freedom to explore the issue/differences while still within the Coordination Review rather than being handcuffed and having to bail out of CR just to rotate the model and check out what changed.

 

 

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joslindave
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Also, we need more categories available for copy/monitor.

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bosborne
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More CM categories would be nice, but let's get the one's we have working better first.

 

One more thing I'd add to the list would be that columns should detect/flag size change. I am fine with the size changes not actually propagating right now (though that would be nice, but not even detecting the change?? ) http://revitoped.blogspot.com/2014/12/changing-column-types-and-copy-monitor.html

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lionel.kai
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EDIT: deleted (posted in wrong thread after I logged in)


Lionel J. Camara
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lionel.kai
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I like #4 - it's a no-brainer for new Grids and Levels.

 

I'd add:

12. Copy Location Line setting (we'd want to see the core location remain the same - which is usually on a grid), instead of just centering the Wall (which requires manual adjustment).

 

#7 & #8, along with this #12, are the main reasons why we consider this tool useless for anything other than Grids and Levels (it's much easier to just model our own walls, etc. and visually search for, and adopt, changes).


Lionel J. Camara
BIM Manager at KAI Hawaii, Inc. - Structural and Forensic Engineers
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