Category wall or floor/roof

[Anonymous]

Hi there, 

Does anyone know how to call this in Revit?

In Revit I have to choose between wall and roof.

In what category has this to be placed?

[Anonymous]

To be more specific, our architect designed this.

It is one wall continuing in the roof.

So the question is, where does the roof start/end and where does the wall start/end??

[martinTstewart_Adsk]

I think you'll need to get clarification from architect on design intent.

[ToanDN]

How will it be constructed?  I am leaning toward Roof.

[barthbradley]

I'm leaning towards "V.I.F." 

[ToanDN]

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@barthbradley wrote:

I'm leaning towards "V.I.F." 

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But it is not built yet.

[barthbradley]

We use it on CDs. Verify in Field. It keeps the litigators at bay. Ha! 

...but I was joking of course. Sorry if it wasn't interpreted that way. 

[Anonymous]

You are right.
This was a view from the front of the building.
It is made of two sections of aluminium (aluminum)
On the left side from the ground to the top of the roof is one part.

See new drawing.
And it is mirrored on the right side.
So the question is; is this called a roof or a wall.
Or is it possible to categorize it in something new?

[barthbradley]

@Anonymous: with this new UI, it's difficult to known to whom you're responding. But @martinTstewart_Adsk is right on here with his suggestion. But if you want an opinion (and that's all it is); I'd side with @ToanDN. However, you really haven't given us much to work with here. You are asking an either/or question. Perhaps it neither. 

[Anonymous]

@Anonymous @martinTstewart_Adsk @ToanDN
I am new to this forum, so sorry for any confusion.
I wanted to say that this aluminium wall/roof is made out of one piece on each side.
Inside the building is a steel construction on which this wall/roof is leaning.
My question is, in which category is this usually created.

And it is time to go to bed, it's 2:00 here in the Netherlands, so if I'm not responding. 🙂

[barthbradley]

Sounds like you're calling out a specific material; not whether or not it's applied to the wall or the roof. Or, am I misreading you? Sorry. I'm slow on the start, but fast on the finish. Usually. 

...BTW: Nijmegen rocks! One of my most favorite destinations. FWIW. 

[ToanDN]

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@Anonymous wrote:

I wanted to say that this aluminium wall/roof is made out of one piece on each side.
Inside the building is a steel construction on which this wall/roof is leaning.
My question is, in which category is this usually created.

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If it presents on one or two opposite sides of the roof then I would create it as roof from extrusion.  If it presents all around the perimeter of the roof then I would create it as roof fascia.

[Corsten.Au]

Wall - if the element is vertical

Wall with help of mass - If elements are slanted , at angle ( this is tedious to achieve)

Roof - if the element is at angle ( this element can be a wall ) Easy to do, Roof by Extrusion, or give a slope

in plan view..

Floor - you can give angle to floor, slope and modify any part of it.. 

[cbcarch]

There is no absolute definition--but, from my experience both in Revit and in the industry:

The angled piece is part of the roof.

The vertical or sloped piece is a wall.

[barthbradley]

So...where does the wall end and the roof begin on a Quonset Hut? If this is about how to categorize the "Horizontal Joint" , which is what it's called in a Quonset Hut, then maybe "Structural Truss" or "Structural Framing" would be a more apt category.  

...but, then again, that "Horizontal Joint" does support the roof. Wouldn't be necessary otherwise. Right?  

[Anonymous]

@Anonymous

Indeed, this Quonset Hut comparison is what I mean.

Where does the wall end and the roof begin?

And in what category do I need to place it in Revit, wall or roof?

The inside framing is aligned with the aluminium plates.

[cbcarch]

In the example that you posted showing the architect's design,

IMHO---the "wall" would be the slanted wall. (which is a whole different discussion!)

The radiused corner would be part of the roof.

I could not justify calling the slanted wall a "roof"--as it is not providing overhead protection from the elements.

But, to each his own. There is no "absolute" definition or standard in Revit for these type of considerations.

[barthbradley]

You don't NEED to categorize it any particular way. You could categorize as a Generic Model for that matter.  It's up to you. 

...out of curiosity, how are you modeling it? Roof by Extrusion method? Well then...

[Anonymous]

@barthbradley @cbcarch @Corsten.Au @ToanDN @martinTstewart_Adsk 

Thanks all of you for helping/thinking.

Quonset Hut was interesting to learn about, and the Generic Model.

[Anonymous]

@barthbradley @cbcarch @Corsten.Au @ToanDN @martinTstewart_Adsk

On this tweet you can see a similar model as it is official shown on the net.

https://twitter.com/RijksvastgoedNL/status/987752858257907721