Can't move a Linked file in a Model Group

[BlairmackNZ]

I’m doing a 4 storey apartment building (a BIM360 Project) and I have multiple repeating apartment types as Model groups. In the past I have always done repeating apartments as Links but I’m experimenting this time with groups as the workflow is much better if I just stay in the 1 Revit file for my apartment edits. Things have been working pretty well until now. All the apartments have a standard bathroom that is being developed by someone else in the office, so I have linked in the bathroom file to my project and added it to the apartment groups so it is now repeating itself (mirrored in some cases) 40 times. Things are still working great at this point, until I need to edit the walls in the main building Revit file and then need to move the linked file location to align with my modified walls. I cannot move the link within the model group for some odd reason. To be able to move the link, I have had to edit the group, remove it from the group, close the group editor, relocate the bathroom link, edit group, re-add it to the group and close group editor. As you can imagine this is tedious and I just wondered if anyone else has any idea as to what is happening here?

Thanks in advance, Blair

[RDAOU]

@BlairmackNZ 

I would Either work with links and groups inside those links OR work with Groups and links separately...I wouldn't group a link with other model elements UNLESS I bind the link. Links are floating external elements and their location is only bound to coordinates while model elements have dependencies to host to level to face...unless all the model elements in those groups are non-hosted, which is rarely the case.

The question is, if those Toilets are developed by someone else in your office, why would you go with one strategy and him/her another...work in the same model, he she does his toilet groups and you add instances of that to the groups of your apartments

[BlairmackNZ]

Thanks for your thoughts @RDAOU.

I didn't spell out the situation completely to keep the original explanation simple. I am an external consultant and take full responsibility for the main building and main apartment walls, ceilings, floor etc and the other person works for the architect that contracts me. I am not having one of their interior designers anywhere near my model and drawings so the simple way is that they do the interior finishes etc in a file I link into my model.

I'm extremely careful to ensure that none of the elements in my model groups are hosted as previous experience has shown these as problematic. I'm just trying to understand why I can't move the linked model in my model group and perhaps it is as you pointed out they are co-ordinate based.

Thanks.

[ToanDN]

How did you link the bathroom model?  I don't have any issue moving a link in a model group.

[BlairmackNZ]

Hey @ ToanDN

The normal way, Insert_Link Revit using internal origin to internal origin. The files are both BIM360 Cloud models. Could be that I'll check locally and see what happens.

[ToanDN]

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@BlairmackNZ wrote:

Hey @ ToanDN

The normal way, Insert_Link Revit using internal origin to internal origin. The files are both BIM360 Cloud models. Could be that I'll check locally and see what happens.

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I tested that too and still no issue.  Do you edit group and move the link (this works for me), or do you tab to select the link without editing the group (this does not work)?

[BlairmackNZ · Accepted solution]

Hi  @ToanDN

I have just tried a local copy of the same and I still have the same issue.

Just had a thought...Problem found.  They have a nested RVT file (File 1) in there with most of the base information and then they have added specific information in the host (file 2).  I have (file 2) linked into my project and can't move that, but just tested linking (file 1) and I can move that one.

Another of Revit's oddities found. Oh well at lest I can move forward now. Thanks for looking at this for me.

Blair