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Beam Pocket-Beam Graphic

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Beam Pocket-Beam Graphic

Anonymous
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Two questions.....
1. How can I make a beam pocket in my foundation wall. I tried a void extrusion but that didn't work.
Should I make a new wall type and edit the profile.

2. How do I change graphic representation of a beam (2x10) in plan. When inserted there is only one line shown. I want to see the thickness of the beam

3. Thanks
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Beam Pocket-Beam Graphic

Two questions.....
1. How can I make a beam pocket in my foundation wall. I tried a void extrusion but that didn't work.
Should I make a new wall type and edit the profile.

2. How do I change graphic representation of a beam (2x10) in plan. When inserted there is only one line shown. I want to see the thickness of the beam

3. Thanks
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Anonymous
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Anonymous
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1. You could edit the elevation profile of the wall. You dont need to make
a new wall type, just edit the profiel of the one you wna the pocket in.

2. Change the view from Coarse to Medium or Fine level of detail in View
Properties or on the view control bar at the bottom of the Revit window.
Structural elements show "stick" representations at Coarse, and the actual
beam profile in medium or fine.

3. Your Welcome. 🙂

wrote in message news:5867732@discussion.autodesk.com...
Two questions.....
1. How can I make a beam pocket in my foundation wall. I tried a void
extrusion but that didn't work.
Should I make a new wall type and edit the profile.

2. How do I change graphic representation of a beam (2x10) in plan. When
inserted there is only one line shown. I want to see the thickness of the
beam

3. Thanks
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1. You could edit the elevation profile of the wall. You dont need to make
a new wall type, just edit the profiel of the one you wna the pocket in.

2. Change the view from Coarse to Medium or Fine level of detail in View
Properties or on the view control bar at the bottom of the Revit window.
Structural elements show "stick" representations at Coarse, and the actual
beam profile in medium or fine.

3. Your Welcome. 🙂

wrote in message news:5867732@discussion.autodesk.com...
Two questions.....
1. How can I make a beam pocket in my foundation wall. I tried a void
extrusion but that didn't work.
Should I make a new wall type and edit the profile.

2. How do I change graphic representation of a beam (2x10) in plan. When
inserted there is only one line shown. I want to see the thickness of the
beam

3. Thanks
Message 3 of 11
Anonymous
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Anonymous
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Thanks for the quick response. I tried to edit the wall profile but the beam pocket shape was as deep as the wall. I only need the pocket to be 5" deep.
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Thanks for the quick response. I tried to edit the wall profile but the beam pocket shape was as deep as the wall. I only need the pocket to be 5" deep.
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Anonymous
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Anonymous
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ah, well that changes things a little.

one way: Make an inplace family void in the wall catagory. The void should
be the width/depth.height of your pocket. Then before you finsih the
family, use the Cut Geometry tool and pick the void, then the wall to tell
Revit what to cut with what.

This should make your pocket.

Another way: (which will be much better if you plan to repeat beam pockets
in this model or any other) is to make a wall based family that is a void,
and is parametric. this family could then be placed on any wall and be
adjusted as needed for different sized beams.

wrote in message news:5867785@discussion.autodesk.com...
Thanks for the quick response. I tried to edit the wall profile but the
beam pocket shape was as deep as the wall. I only need the pocket to be 5"
deep.
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ah, well that changes things a little.

one way: Make an inplace family void in the wall catagory. The void should
be the width/depth.height of your pocket. Then before you finsih the
family, use the Cut Geometry tool and pick the void, then the wall to tell
Revit what to cut with what.

This should make your pocket.

Another way: (which will be much better if you plan to repeat beam pockets
in this model or any other) is to make a wall based family that is a void,
and is parametric. this family could then be placed on any wall and be
adjusted as needed for different sized beams.

wrote in message news:5867785@discussion.autodesk.com...
Thanks for the quick response. I tried to edit the wall profile but the
beam pocket shape was as deep as the wall. I only need the pocket to be 5"
deep.
Message 5 of 11
Anonymous
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Anonymous
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Thanks. I did the Void Extrusion. It took me a while but I got it.
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Thanks. I did the Void Extrusion. It took me a while but I got it.
Message 6 of 11
Anonymous
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Anonymous
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Scott's solution is the way to go if you need the pocket modeled - but
if you don't (maybe it is only shown in a detail and/or section) you
could use 'edit cut profile' per view which is much quicker and
sometimes easier to manage through the course of the models development.

Brian Earsley
Project Manager
areté 3, Ltd
18645 West Creek Drive
Tinley Park, Il 60477
708.342.1250 x.225
www.arete3.com

mbuonocore wrote:
> Thanks. I did the Void Extrusion. It took me a while but I got it.
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Scott's solution is the way to go if you need the pocket modeled - but
if you don't (maybe it is only shown in a detail and/or section) you
could use 'edit cut profile' per view which is much quicker and
sometimes easier to manage through the course of the models development.

Brian Earsley
Project Manager
areté 3, Ltd
18645 West Creek Drive
Tinley Park, Il 60477
708.342.1250 x.225
www.arete3.com

mbuonocore wrote:
> Thanks. I did the Void Extrusion. It took me a while but I got it.
Message 7 of 11
Anonymous
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Anonymous
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The only problem with this method is that if you change the beam, you have to remember to change the profile. I caught this one before it cost us money.

BEAM POCKETS and BEAM 90 DEGREE FILLETS SHOULD BE AUTOMATIC!
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The only problem with this method is that if you change the beam, you have to remember to change the profile. I caught this one before it cost us money.

BEAM POCKETS and BEAM 90 DEGREE FILLETS SHOULD BE AUTOMATIC!
Message 8 of 11
Anonymous
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Anonymous
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If the hole can go through the wall, not just a pocket (partially deep hole in wall), then let us not forget the Modeling tab>Opening>Wall Opening to cut a rectilinear shape hole

Mel Persin, AIA
AEC Technology Consultant
Technology to Visualize and Realize Solutions
Modeling the Future/Drafting the Present/Building on the Past
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If the hole can go through the wall, not just a pocket (partially deep hole in wall), then let us not forget the Modeling tab>Opening>Wall Opening to cut a rectilinear shape hole

Mel Persin, AIA
AEC Technology Consultant
Technology to Visualize and Realize Solutions
Modeling the Future/Drafting the Present/Building on the Past
Message 9 of 11
Anonymous
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Anonymous
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Unfortunately, when the beam moves in location, changes elevation, or changes size, you must remember to adjust the "cut". Now, that's not Revit at all! Let's get automated here!
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Unfortunately, when the beam moves in location, changes elevation, or changes size, you must remember to adjust the "cut". Now, that's not Revit at all! Let's get automated here!
Message 10 of 11
Anonymous
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Anonymous
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In the field that is called a change order 🙂

wrote in message news:5900700@discussion.autodesk.com...
Unfortunately, when the beam moves in location, changes elevation, or
changes size, you must remember to adjust the "cut". Now, that's not Revit
at all! Let's get automated here!
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In the field that is called a change order 🙂

wrote in message news:5900700@discussion.autodesk.com...
Unfortunately, when the beam moves in location, changes elevation, or
changes size, you must remember to adjust the "cut". Now, that's not Revit
at all! Let's get automated here!
Message 11 of 11
dgizzim0
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dgizzim0
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Revit talks about "revising it" automatically. Well...if concrete beams don't cut concrete walls and you have to either alter the wall profile or create a wall void, then that's BS. What if the beam changes size or location...will the profile or void move as well? No!

 

The ideal Revit release should have:

  • beams that cut walls
  • beams that sit on columns
  • when removing a wall intersection, the remaining wall must extend to the original outside corner, not centerline
  • having a global option of not joining walls. It is so dumb that a concrete shearwall can be joined to an architectural stud wall.
  • fractions that stack
  • user default settings: remembering snap settings
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Revit talks about "revising it" automatically. Well...if concrete beams don't cut concrete walls and you have to either alter the wall profile or create a wall void, then that's BS. What if the beam changes size or location...will the profile or void move as well? No!

 

The ideal Revit release should have:

  • beams that cut walls
  • beams that sit on columns
  • when removing a wall intersection, the remaining wall must extend to the original outside corner, not centerline
  • having a global option of not joining walls. It is so dumb that a concrete shearwall can be joined to an architectural stud wall.
  • fractions that stack
  • user default settings: remembering snap settings

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