Beam error/model while copying from the first to second floor "geometry no longer determines a plane"

[chix88]

hi, i 'm trying to copy all the elements of my first floor to create the second floor

i'am geting an error "the highlited geometry no longer determines a plane"

many beam changed in the second floor , even some on the first floor changed

what's wrong please

those are the element i want to copy

this is what i get when i finish copying

thank you

[barthbradley]

Are those Adaptive Elements?  

Post the file here as an Attachment to a Reply Post.  

[chix88]

thank , i attached the files

one with only one floor 

and another one with the 2nd floor

thank

[barthbradley · Accepted solution]

Disallow Join fixes it.  

[chix88]

thank you a lot it worked, i have a question

1 is it normal that my beams are shorter after i've used "disallow join";

2 how can i avoid this in the future if i have a lot of floor to copy; should i do a copy/past > figure out the joinded beam > undo copy > disallow joined beam then copy/past  ?? or are there another way?

[ToanDN]

Yes beams have start and end extensions so the overall length can be different between joined and disjoined but you can adjust start and end extensions manually for disjoined condition.  How did you copy from one level to another, did you create a group and copy paste aligned to selected levels or picked levels?

[chix88]

i select every thing > filter what i need to copy > copy to clipboard > Past : Alligned to selected level. > select level

Don't really know the difference between them, I meen that' what the tutorial guy is doing .

[ToanDN]

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@chix88 wrote:

i select every thing > filter what i need to copy > copy to clipboard > Past : Alligned to selected level. > select level

Don't really know the difference between them, I meen that' what the tutorial guy is doing .

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Your workflow is correct. 

If you choose Paste aligned to select levels then you select the levels from a list; if you choose Paste aligned to picked levels then you pick levels from a section or an elevation.

Regarding the original error, joined beams should be able to copy paste to other levels without issues.  Can you share you model?

[chix88]

thank you, 

i've already shared my model up

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Regarding the original error, joined beams should be able to copy paste to other levels without issues.  Can you share you model?

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