Alternate to ceilings

[Anonymous]

Hi all,

We are working in a Hotel project, where we have ceilings of different heights, shadow gaps, arch-shaped, etc. This has become a great task to model all the false ceilings. I understand these ceilings will help MEP team to place their elements and for coordination purposes. Just want to know, whether there is any other alternative to this. 

Thanks in advance.

Sultan Ahamed

[Alfredo_Medina]

What alternative are you referring to? Not to model the ceilings?

If it is a BIM project, the ceilings should be modeled. Maybe you need to hire one more person to the team, more help.

And, try to use groups. It if is a hotel, I assume there are types of rooms, therefore you can have groups that you can use multiple times.

[ToanDN]

There is nothing easier than create ceilings using the ceiling tool.  Draw boundaries and change the heights.  That's it.

[chrisplyler]

Depends on your goal.

Are you wanting to produce interior renderings? Then you're probably going to have to model stuff.

Are you going for standard-issue 2D construction drawings? You could Section the right places and show what you need using Detail elements.

Are you simply doing a preliminary concept floor plan? Just notate the ceiling requirement /specifications/description somewhere on the sheet.

I'd like to ask you why the task is so daunting? Is it just because there is soooooo many to do? Is it because you don't know how to do then easily? Is it because there is something about them that makes them particularly difficult to do? If you give us more details, perhaps we can help more.

[Anonymous]

Firstly, I thank all of you for your comments. Secondly, we are just migrating to BIM using revit so i am having this doubt.

I had this question becuase there are many room types, Front of house, back of house, different suites, etc. So modelling ceilings with different heights and shapes for all these rooms will take time.

I understand that, its better to model these which would later help us in co-ordination.

Just want to know that the time spent on these is the best option.

Thanks and Regards

[ToanDN]

Can you share a picture of a typical ceiling that you need?  If they are flat gypsum board, plaster, or acoustical tile kind of ceilings then I would say the time to model them is about the same as if you drawing them using 2D lines.  Plus, you can host ceiling fixture and devices properly if they are modeled, or have correct Room/space volume for HVAC calculations.

[Anonymous]

you dont have to model all the exact detail? shadow gaps et al..... etc etc people get too carried away with WHAT they model

what we do is make different types of ceilings as required. work out the 2D details for those ceilings. then go to the RCP and show the details which have been worked out and make sure the specification relates to all the details. does that make sense?

modelling the ceiling is the least to do to allow full co-ordination - and you couldnt get any simpler than 'automatic ceiling'..... sketch isnt that hard 😉

it IS worth it!!

[Anonymous]

The above sketch is a sample form of ceilings, this is only used for MEP team to place their ducts, lights, etc and for coordination purposes only. The ceiling details are provided by ID separately in 2d format. Further, I know how to model this conventionally. Just want to know, whether I need to model this for all typical Bedrooms, front of house, back of house, etc (or) is there any other workaround.

Thanks in advance

[chrisplyler · Accepted solution]

I would model at least one each for each substantially similar "typical" room, and in the sheets include those "typical ceiling" plans, but only if the EE is willing to use such a system for his fixture layouts also.

Otherwise I suspect you're going to want modeled ceilings in every room. For rooms that are exactly the same, of course, you can model one of them, including the ceiling, turn it into a group, and then just make new instances everywhere that room occurs.