Adjust Level Line Offset from crop Region by scale or custom settings

[edanastas]

Is there a way to control the Level head offset from the crop region of the view. I'm constantly moving these levels out on sections and floor plans.

This would be awesome to be able to control with a default offset or at least if Autodesk doesn't want to give this control up (why, I don't know), then change the offset depending on the scale.

Let me know if I'm missing something.

Thanks,

Edward

[barthbradley]

https://knowledge.autodesk.com/support/revit-lt/learn-explore/caas/CloudHelp/cloudhelp/2017/ENU/Revi...

[edanastas]

I've used scope boxes quite regularly but that would not solve the issue. Let me try to clarify... If you refer to my screenshot, you will see how the level titles cross over into the drawing. When dealing with large projects it's not an efficient use of time to constantly have to adjust the 2D extents of these level heads when it can be a simple default global parameter.

for example... I would like the level heads to automatically be placed a set page dimension outside of the crop region, such as 6" or 3". This could be a type parameter within the level head family or it could be a single global parameter for the project. I'm showing a section example, but this would apply to plan as well. The parameter exists in Revit, it just doesn't seem to be available for us to customize.

Is there a way of adjusting this parameter?

[barthbradley]

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@edanastas wrote:

...The parameter exists in Revit, it just doesn't seem to be available for us to customize.

Is there a way of adjusting this parameter?

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What parameter are you referring to? 

[Anonymous]

he said 

"for example... I would like the level heads to automatically be placed a set page dimension outside of the crop region, such as 6" or 3". This could be a type parameter within the level head family or it could be a single global parameter for the project. I'm showing a section example, but this would apply to plan as well. The parameter exists in Revit, it just doesn't seem to be available for us to customize."

[barthbradley]

@Anonymous: I appreciate your participation and acknowledge the "re-tweet", but I have no idea what you're pointing out to me. I am asking @edanastas what parameter he is referring to when he says: "the parameter exists in Revit, it just doesn't seem to be available for us to customize. Is there a way of adjusting this parameter?"  

What parameter are we talking about?  That's my question.  

[edanastas]

By "Parameter" I'm referring to the value that defines where it get's placed now by default. It consistently get's placed at a certain distance from the crop region. That distance has to be defined somewhere within the program. It's just not available for the users to set or change.

[loboarch]

The distance of a level head (or grid head for that matter) is offset from the edge of a crop region is a hard coded value. You can change it by manually dragging, but you can't make it smaller or set a larger distance for the "offset from crop" by default. This value is set at the programmatic level and not accessible to the user.

[barthbradley]

...and where it's placed is dependent on the scale of the view.  

[loboarch]

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@barthbradley wrote:

...and where it's placed is dependent on the scale of the view.  

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Kind of....The distance is an annotation based value, so it is always the same distance from the crop edge to the end point when printed, say 1" away will always be 1" away when on a sheet.

[barthbradley]

@loboarch: Actually, this thread just became more interesting. I wonder whether the bubble head could just be offset a certain distance from the Origin Ref. Plane in the family, and then draw a "level" line between the bubble head and Origin Ref Plane.  That line would connect with the other  "level" line that Revit automatically creates.  What do you think? 

...1, Black, Grid Line 1/2" 

[ToanDN]

What if you have the labels on the other side on a different view?

[barthbradley]

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@ToanDN wrote:
What if you have the labels on the other side on a different view?

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Answer: a cross between an elephant and a rhino.    

[cbcarch]

Read the whole thread here.

I still think a Scope Box is the best method for globally controlling Grids and Levels.

[edanastas]

Yes, I think we all agree the scope box is the best way to control this (at least with multi-level buildings), but it doesn't control the offset of the level heads from the scope box (view) crop region.

[edanastas]

ok, so why not. we want control of it. We have for a long time. It would really help everyone out.

[edanastas]

That last comment was in response to this....

"Kind of....The distance is an annotation based value, so it is always the same distance from the crop edge to the end point when printed, say 1" away will always be 1" away when on a sheet."

So is there a way to edit that value in the "hard" code at least?

[Anonymous]

totally agree with the OP

Similarly I spend ages manually dragging these elements as the scope box crop is quite generous

As the size of the graphics are different for each, and maybe the offset is different for each , maybe this could be done via a parameter in each of the respective families to give finer control.

[edanastas]

In response to loboarch at response 10...

Why do we have to ask permission to edit this "hard coded" parameter? Just make it NOT hard coded. In place of the hard code value, drop in a parameter. Done. I know it's a pain to go back into your old code, but if this one change could save all your users cumulatively hours of production time, why not spend the few hours to make the change for the next release. Realistically you are probably not the one to do the actual change, you just have to make the ticket and bump up the priority while someone else does their job and get's it done.

If it were an offset based on the annotation scale, then just use a reasonable aesthetic judgement and bump it up a little which would be better than what it's set to now. We have to fit dimensions, text, etc. within the gap between the edge of the cut view and the level lines. Give us a little space to do this. When I say "us" I mean almost everyone is probably doing this, again and again and again...

It could have been done by now. Just please make the ticket and get the process started. 

[mes]

Why not place your text on the other side of the level head? I know the section is opposite yours, but it mirrors on the other side. Not saying that a parameter to control default gaps for levels and grids isn't needed, but in my opinion it is too big and not to small.