Line projection issue

old_snickers
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Line projection issue

old_snickers
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I have 4 workpieces arranged in a tensioning device with a grid 50 x 50. Each of them has a diameter of about 30mm. I have to calculate them with line projection and a lollipop-like tool because they have some undercut.

Now my problem is: i want to calculate the first workpiece and the others disturb this, although they are really far enough away. The "preview" shows the white lines, which are projected from outside. Now my toolpath on the workpiece to be processed, is interrupted in these areas, where the white lines touch the other workpieces. Ok, I can set the others to ignore, but with this the collision test is senseless...
Is there any possibility to reduce the enlargement of these projection lines? Incidentally, they grow up and get smaller with the blank and the tool diameter.

 

(PowerMILL 2015)

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old_snickers
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The result looks like this:

 

line-projection_issue.jpg

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DanMcDan
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Does not constant Z with undercutting work for this?

 

If not you could set it to "ignore" all the other surfaces in the Thickness tab.

Anonymous
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Hi, @old_snickers

 

What's wrong with the ignore option of the other cylindrical features? You said they are far away from each other anyway so there would be plenty of space between them to put the tool in there.

 

I made quickly something similar and line projection is working fine on that if you ignore the other cylindrical features.

I have placed them in different levels so I can select them easily.

 

1.JPG

 

Kind regards

 

George

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old_snickers
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Thank you very much for your replies!

 

Z-Level with undercut would be a nice solution, but it calculates unbearably slow (at least in my PowerMILL 2015). I would love it, if it were very much faster.

 

And Yes, I've realized it this time with the "ignore option", because I was not able to see another way. But I would rather have a possibility to decrease the projection range, because I often have to change these models and every time I have to set the new surfaces to "ignore", again and again and again... quite annoying...

 

There is something analogical for the "Surface Projection" in my user_menu:

 

"5 Axis Projection Range +/- 1mm" 1 "EDIT SURFPROJ AUTORANGE OFF EDIT SURFPROJ RANGEMIN -1 EDIT SURFPROJ RANGEMAX 1"

"5 Axis Projection Range +/- 2mm" 1 "EDIT SURFPROJ AUTORANGE OFF EDIT SURFPROJ RANGEMIN -2 EDIT SURFPROJ RANGEMAX 2"

 

And so on...

 

I spent some time on staring at the available commands, but found nothing similar for the Line Projection. Any ideas?

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Anonymous
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Process only one piece,  then Copy and Translate

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CAMXPRESS
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Hello old_snickers,

 

I have made a Screencast to you what might have the solution to change the preview frame size at PM.

However it may not solve this particular problem for you. 

 

https://knowledge.autodesk.com/search-result/caas/screencast/Main/Details/666e73dc-6f11-4350-b8fc-21...

 

Regards,

 

CAMXPRESS

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old_snickers
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Hello CAMXPRESS,

 

thank You for the video. This will reduce the preview lines, that's correct so far. But with this block which is smaller than my workpiece PowerMILL will not calculate. Even with the activated option to allow the tool outside. Or is there another trick to force that?

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Anonymous
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 Z-Level with undercut would be a nice solution, but it calculates unbearably slow (at least in my PowerMILL 2015). I would love it, if it were very much faster.

 

I use PM15.

 

I use this in every project . I am guessing you need a high tolerance if the calculation times are realy slow. Lollipop cutters are the worst on calculation times.

 

The shapes I undercut are not simple. I get away with a 0.05 Metric tolerance. 10 minutes to calculate 6 bosses are not uncommon.

 

As for line projection. Have you tried throwing the centre more into the corner away from the other 3 bosses ? . Its been a long time since I used line projection way back in 2003 but I think that's how I used to overcome the problem.

 

Goffa

 

p.s  If using constant Z with undercut why would you go from top to bottom and not just the Z level's the undercut is at ? . Or is it undercut/tapered all the way down ? .

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old_snickers
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Our normally used tolerance is 0.003 mm or less. With these circumstances line projection does in a couple of seconds, what Z-level with undercut in more than a minute does. And "yes", it is varying, where the undercuts are.

But I like the idea "throwing the centre more into the corner away from the other 3 bosses". I'll give this tomorrow a try... Smiley Happy

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NanchenO
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Have you tryed to move your leads in-out to the center of the four blocks after calculation ? I often use this when default the leads in-out are not well placed and it often corrects the problem within 2-3 seconds.

 

Olivier

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Anonymous
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The tool path doesn't look joined/complete.

 

I have never been able to move the leads in/out on any tool path that's not complete. i.e starts and finishes at the same point.

 

Goffa

 

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M_Hennig
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I have had this problem many times. Ignore works but is a bad option, too easy to ram your leads and links into areas on the model. I always change the block size to only one area, then transform as many as you want, update leads and links last. but you must change block to only one.

 

old_snickers
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Thanks to all for your answers and ideas. I tried some but the only solution seems to be "setting the others to ignore". But as M.Hennig said, it's a bad option.

I've made a "quick an dirty" example of my problem and zipped it for uploading it here. And yes, I know there are some other possibilitys to calculate this, but I want to do it with line projection. Call me small-minded. If someone wants to try and is successful, please tell me, how you made it happen...

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M_Hennig
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I can tell you how to make this work,  get ready to gasp........  Take all the other bosses, I mean the model, select them, MOVE them down, say 20 inches out of the way, calculate, move them back up and translate..

old_snickers
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Uuuugh.... no way, that's too easy. Ok, great idea, I'm sure this will work. I have to try out what the collision check tells me when everything was calculated and all the models are back in their positions.

But still I would prefer to have an opportunity to simply reduce the range of the projection lines... 

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M_Hennig
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Do you know the type in commands for that? You can turn the autorange to off.


Mike Hennig
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old_snickers
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No, I unfortunately don't know these commands. That's what I originally had tried to ask with my bumpy english...

I know the commands for the surface projection strategy, but of course they don't take any effect at my favored line projection. And I was not able to find out the corresponding commands for this. You know them? PLEASE, tell me!

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M_Hennig
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Those are the only ones I know as well, I thought they worked for the line projection also, but I could be mistaken.


Mike Hennig
5axis programming specialist





[omega logo]

Omega Tool, Inc.
N93 W14430 Whittaker Way
Menomonee Falls, WI 53051
262-255-0205
262-255-3964 fax
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old_snickers
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Nope.. as I wrote, it's something like this:

 

"EDIT SURFPROJ AUTORANGE OFF EDIT SURFPROJ RANGEMIN -1 EDIT SURFPROJ RANGEMAX 1"

 

This takes only affect on the surface projection. So anyway. The best and simliest idea is to move the currently unused bosses away while processing a model and replace them all when all the toolpaths are calculated. I've tested it: the gauge and the collision check are successful on every toolpath, which PowerMILL did not calculate completely before. I would this call a bug in the software. Maybe PowerMILL above 2015 doesn not have this fault, I don't know...

 

Seems as I have to accept your suggestion as solution (at the moment, perhaps the developers read sometimes here in the forum, too)

 

At any rates many, many thanks to all!

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We use Adobe Target to test new features on our sites and customize your experience of these features. To do this, we collect behavioral data while you’re on our sites. This data may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, your IP address or device ID, your Autodesk ID, and others. You may experience a different version of our sites based on feature testing, or view personalized content based on your visitor attributes. Adobe Target Privacy Policy
Google Analytics (Advertising)
We use Google Analytics (Advertising) to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by Google Analytics (Advertising). Ads are based on both Google Analytics (Advertising) data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that Google Analytics (Advertising) has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to Google Analytics (Advertising) to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. Google Analytics (Advertising) Privacy Policy
Trendkite
We use Trendkite to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by Trendkite. Ads are based on both Trendkite data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that Trendkite has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to Trendkite to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. Trendkite Privacy Policy
Hotjar
We use Hotjar to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by Hotjar. Ads are based on both Hotjar data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that Hotjar has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to Hotjar to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. Hotjar Privacy Policy
6 Sense
We use 6 Sense to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by 6 Sense. Ads are based on both 6 Sense data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that 6 Sense has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to 6 Sense to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. 6 Sense Privacy Policy
Terminus
We use Terminus to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by Terminus. Ads are based on both Terminus data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that Terminus has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to Terminus to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. Terminus Privacy Policy
StackAdapt
We use StackAdapt to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by StackAdapt. Ads are based on both StackAdapt data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that StackAdapt has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to StackAdapt to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. StackAdapt Privacy Policy
The Trade Desk
We use The Trade Desk to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by The Trade Desk. Ads are based on both The Trade Desk data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that The Trade Desk has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to The Trade Desk to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. The Trade Desk Privacy Policy
RollWorks
We use RollWorks to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by RollWorks. Ads are based on both RollWorks data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that RollWorks has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to RollWorks to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. RollWorks Privacy Policy

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