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Problem: CANNOT BUY VISUAL C++ .NET 2002 ANYMORE!
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08-23-2005
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Greetings Autodesk and Users,
Last night, I spoke to a saleswoman at Microsoft who told me I could buy a
version of Microsoft Visual C++ .net 2002. She told me to call her when I
got home, and she would walk me through the process of providing the
appropriate proof that I actually have a legitimate version of 2003 and they
would send me a copy of 2002 for $28.00. OK, so I called back. We then
went through the entire process and up comes a message on here screen :
"CANNOT SELL PRODUCT." Though Microsoft DOES have 2002 in stock, and has a
price for the downgrade, they are not permitted to sell it. So what am I
supposed to do? I cannot download Visual C++ 2002 from anywhere, cannot
obtain the 2002 libraries, and so I am stuck. Is the answer from Autodesk
that I have to wait until 2007 Version, and if so, does this also mean that
I have to upgrade to Autocad 2007 ( yeah that will go over great with the
management at my company "Yeah My ObjectARX code works great, all you have
to do is spend $25,000 and you can use it"). Also having to upgrade to
Visual Studio C++ .net ( another $110.00)? I think that this is an
unnaceptable answer and I have a few suggestions as to how to fix this
problem:
1. Contact Microsoft and beg them to sell the downgrade to people again.
Yes I know, Microsoft doesn't want to sell older versions of C++, but its
all economics. I have already paid for C++ 2003, and I am perfectly willing
to pay for 2002 (the $28) if it means that I am able to learn and develop
ObjectArx code.
2. Contact Microsoft and emplore them to give you the libraries that are
used in ObjectARX (the MFC70.dll I think it is that my compiler is
complaining about). I like this one the best because I DON'T HAVE TO SPEND
ANOTHER RED CENT ON THE SOLUTION. I don't see this as being too far off, as
Autodesk has some sort of agreement with Microsoft. Autodesk could develop
(or approve) a quick patch that makes it possible to use the libraries with
2003, and viola you are now able to develop using off the shelf development
products.
3. REDEVELOP THE 2005 and 2006 ARX CODE TO USE 2003. Umm, yeah you are
providing a programatic interface into your product using probably the
crapiest version of Visaul C++ .net. I don't think it takes a marketing
genious (or Linus Torvalds for that matter) to figure out that this is bad
marketing, bad business, and bad programming. I have seen tons of libraries
that are available for 2003, and 2003 has been available for some time now.
Though I concede that 2005 will also be available soon, but how soon will
autodesk offer the ARX api for it? Probably not soon enough for me ( even
the November projected launch date would be unacceptable ). I know that
redeveloping ARX would cause you to change the code within Autocad, fine,
put out a patch.
I am really anxious to get developing with Arx and really need this for a
project I am doing ( the project makes it impossible to use activex or vba
since it talks to other .net components that I cannot change). Please
contact me directly or reply with a solution.
I appologize if I sound irate or rude, I certainly don't mean to, but the
point of the matter is that we do need this functionality and simple cannot
get it under these circumstances. I am begging you to help me out, since
Microsoft was unable (I suppose one might say unwilling) to help. I am
hoping that since this is your product that you might feel compelled to
help.
Thank you and most respectively,
Alexandros A Nipirakis
anipirakis |AT| gtconveyor.com
Last night, I spoke to a saleswoman at Microsoft who told me I could buy a
version of Microsoft Visual C++ .net 2002. She told me to call her when I
got home, and she would walk me through the process of providing the
appropriate proof that I actually have a legitimate version of 2003 and they
would send me a copy of 2002 for $28.00. OK, so I called back. We then
went through the entire process and up comes a message on here screen :
"CANNOT SELL PRODUCT." Though Microsoft DOES have 2002 in stock, and has a
price for the downgrade, they are not permitted to sell it. So what am I
supposed to do? I cannot download Visual C++ 2002 from anywhere, cannot
obtain the 2002 libraries, and so I am stuck. Is the answer from Autodesk
that I have to wait until 2007 Version, and if so, does this also mean that
I have to upgrade to Autocad 2007 ( yeah that will go over great with the
management at my company "Yeah My ObjectARX code works great, all you have
to do is spend $25,000 and you can use it"). Also having to upgrade to
Visual Studio C++ .net ( another $110.00)? I think that this is an
unnaceptable answer and I have a few suggestions as to how to fix this
problem:
1. Contact Microsoft and beg them to sell the downgrade to people again.
Yes I know, Microsoft doesn't want to sell older versions of C++, but its
all economics. I have already paid for C++ 2003, and I am perfectly willing
to pay for 2002 (the $28) if it means that I am able to learn and develop
ObjectArx code.
2. Contact Microsoft and emplore them to give you the libraries that are
used in ObjectARX (the MFC70.dll I think it is that my compiler is
complaining about). I like this one the best because I DON'T HAVE TO SPEND
ANOTHER RED CENT ON THE SOLUTION. I don't see this as being too far off, as
Autodesk has some sort of agreement with Microsoft. Autodesk could develop
(or approve) a quick patch that makes it possible to use the libraries with
2003, and viola you are now able to develop using off the shelf development
products.
3. REDEVELOP THE 2005 and 2006 ARX CODE TO USE 2003. Umm, yeah you are
providing a programatic interface into your product using probably the
crapiest version of Visaul C++ .net. I don't think it takes a marketing
genious (or Linus Torvalds for that matter) to figure out that this is bad
marketing, bad business, and bad programming. I have seen tons of libraries
that are available for 2003, and 2003 has been available for some time now.
Though I concede that 2005 will also be available soon, but how soon will
autodesk offer the ARX api for it? Probably not soon enough for me ( even
the November projected launch date would be unacceptable ). I know that
redeveloping ARX would cause you to change the code within Autocad, fine,
put out a patch.
I am really anxious to get developing with Arx and really need this for a
project I am doing ( the project makes it impossible to use activex or vba
since it talks to other .net components that I cannot change). Please
contact me directly or reply with a solution.
I appologize if I sound irate or rude, I certainly don't mean to, but the
point of the matter is that we do need this functionality and simple cannot
get it under these circumstances. I am begging you to help me out, since
Microsoft was unable (I suppose one might say unwilling) to help. I am
hoping that since this is your product that you might feel compelled to
help.
Thank you and most respectively,
Alexandros A Nipirakis
anipirakis |AT| gtconveyor.com