STOP CHANGING THE USER INTERFACE

[jletcher]

I am not sure why you all feel you need to do this.

The user interface is not broken and I have heard NO complaints the way it is or was.

When you add things leave the old the default STOP changing workflows.

The Ribbon still stinks and is STUPID and now you are changing user interface for commands, STOP.

For new users this is not a big deal but those of us that have been using Inventor from day one it reduces our productivity.

NOT IMPROVEMENTS, so just stop

[mdavis22569]

I like the changes, I know a lot of users who like the changes. (I've been on IV since version 5 in the early 2000's) 

You're going to have changes, as everything evolves. Windows has changed. Apple OS's has changed....

SW and other software CAD have changed.

The hole interface was partially shown at Autodesk University. They were asking users for their input/thoughts in 2016, in a group studies setting. You can blame me, I gave it a thumbs up

That's how myself and others got our picture in this years AU promo ... it was at that session we were asked suggestions.

AU also has a special sit down class / round table with all of the Inventor people .... and you can ask any and all questions you want. Give suggestions, ideas.  Trust there are people complaining there and they listen and explain the reasoning behind it.    

I gave a suggestion last year at the booth and it's now in this years 2019.1 

[jletcher]

@mdavis22569

 Thanks for the reply.

You are not really a production user, you are more of cad house then production so the longer it takes you to do something the more you get paid.

My clients are in production they don't have time to sit and learn new interface every time Autodesk feels the need to change something that is not broke.

When they have JIT production and hit the wrong thing because the default is not there they have to go back change it, or take time to make sure what they are doing. Then they get frustrated and are not productive the rest of the day.

If you recall when window changed by taking out the desktop they ended up putting it back. Also they have extended the support for window 7  two times because no one is upgrading. Word is they are thinking of extending the cutoff again millions of users still not upgrading.

Not sure how much about Apple you know but Steve Jobs refused to change the OS his saying is if it is not broke don't break it. After he passed Tim Cook gave the OK to change it. They lost users and it has been a nightmare constant updates after updates, complaints after complaints.

 When Inventor was using the Classic interface they had 2  patches before new release, now there are 4 to 5 and many bugs go unfixed.

To be productive is to do the same thing over and over without change. Henry Ford when he made the assembly line.

Again thanks for the reply.

[jtylerbc]

Precisely what version of Windows removed the Desktop?  To some varying degree, I have used XP, Vista, 7, 8, 8.1, and Window 10.  Every one of them had the Desktop, as did 95, 98, and 2000 before them.  If you're going to post examples from other software or operating systems, at least try sticking to posting ones that actually happened.

Less frequent patches just meant we waited longer for fixes, which then came in a larger lump.  Or we installed "Hotfixes" between updates, which if you included them would far outnumber the current update frequency.  I think some selective memory is being applied here.

[jletcher]

@jtylerbc

 Software is one thing I know well.

Windows 8 had no desktop it was an app icon base interface, it was to link their phone, tablet, computer all sinc together as an app base. Basically try to catch up with Apple’s sinc, but the sales were near 1.3 million no one was leaving Xp or 7. Windows 8.1 came fast putting desktop back but as a switch back and forth, default was app base interface. After that a option to set desktop default. It has been some time I don’t fault you for not remembering.

 After this mess they had many users not trusting upgrading. There are still more windows 7 users then those on 10 the last time i looked. Now I believe business have to start upgrading because soon software like Inventor will no longer run on 7, unless they do another extension.

 No my friend Inventor all the way up to 10 there were few patch’s or hotfix. I installed well over 100 computers with Inventor and never had issues like we have now. Inventor 12 was more stable then any release after 10.

 Do you remember when Inventor did the Kernal change?

[mdavis22569]

As of Feb 2018:

https://www.zdnet.com/article/windows-10-vs-windows-7-has-microsofts-newest-os-just-reached-a-turnin...

Some two and a half years after its release, Windows 10 has finally overtaken Windows 7 in worldwide usage.

That's according to web analytics firm StatCounter, which puts Windows 10's share of Windows PCs at 42.78 percent, ahead of Windows 7's 41.86 percent.

[jtylerbc]

@jletcher,

My understanding is that the desktop had always been there, but wasn't the default view, and the Start Button was what was completely missing and added back in (sort of) in 8.1.  Every article and screenshot I could find seems to back that up, but to be fair, I couldn't find a comprehensive update history for plain Windows 8, and it is the version I used the least personally.

For example, this article explains how to switch between Metro and Desktop modes on Windows 8.  It was written in March 2012, while Windows 8.1 was not released until June 2013.  I suppose it's possible Microsoft faked an entire blog or invented time travel just to confuse whether or not the Desktop was available in plain-8, and you're the only person on the planet that remembers it clearly enough to see through their deception.  But it doesn't seem very likely.

[jletcher]

@mdavis22569

   So 2017 last I looked was early 2016. Not by much just under 1% that should say something about people wanting to change interfaces.

 But I blame that on the stopping the sales of window 7 and not able to get it on new computers, so basically they were forced to change.

[jletcher]

@jtylerbc 

 Sorry that should have been window 8.01 when windows was released as 8 there was none after a day of complaints the option was a update. Not sure if the Doc would have put 8.01.