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change "main view" in drawings

change "main view" in drawings

i would be able to change the main view in drawings which is used for properties to sync into the title block

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mcgyvr
Consultant

@michael_marx

See "Replace Model Reference" button.. Its located on the "Manage" tab of the ribbon menu in a drawing..

http://help.autodesk.com/view/INVNTOR/2017/ENU/?guid=GUID-FC081D92-92AB-4DE0-97B0-72DE7637FAD9

 

Is that what you are asking for? Because that does exactly what you have written here and is already part of the software..

DRoam
Mentor

@mcgyvr, I think what michael is describing is the fact that Inventor always uses the FIRST VIEW PLACED on the drawing to pull iProperties from for the Title Block, Border, Annotations, etc. He would like to be able to change with view Inventor is treating as the "main view", i.e. the one it pulls iProperties from. So it's not replacing the model reference, but the view reference.

 

Granted, it's a little difficult to tell that from the title, but it definitely is something that would be very useful. Currently, to do this, we have to shuffle Views back and forth between a dummy sheet in order to make the desired view the first view placed.

 

mcgyvr
Consultant

@DRoam maybe.. could be.. I don't know.. Smiley Wink

Michael needs to be more specific about his request..

(as well as many others posting ideas here..)

 

michael_marx
Advocate

@mcgyvr it´s excactly what @DRoam described Smiley Happy

In my opinion i´m specific enough. I´m very busy and the description is exactly what i want to do! Smiley Wink 

asiu
Advocate

For me it was clear what Michael suggested.

 

You should not have to do this, but I encountered exceptions (older drawings of metal parts with inserts) where I had to change the part number of the drawing based on the assembly (.iam) and not the part (.ipt) due to a previous error.

Curtis_Waguespack
Consultant

This would be very nice for us to do as well, we sometimes have a situation where there might be 15+ views, and for one reason or another the title block is looking at a view other than the we need it to be looking at.

 

Currently the options are to copy the views to another sheet manually, ensuring that the view we want is the first view, or re-create the sheet. Both options can be time consuming and error prone. 

 

Here is a similar idea:

https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/inventor-ideas/ability-to-choose-which-parts-are-referenced-in-dwg-ti...

Curtis_Waguespack
Consultant

Just for clarification, something like this is the option we're looking for:

 

Use View For Title Block.PNG

Anonymous
Not applicable

 

 

@Curtis_WaguespackMight be a bit late, but you could simply edit the title block itself for a single drawing. Browser > [Sheetname] (default: "sheet:1") > right click > "edit definition"

 

This way, you can manually edit the scale, description, etc. I find the best way to do this is by choosing "prompted entry" instead of "properties - model" for the text blocks.

 

For more info: http://help.autodesk.com/view/INVNTOR/2017/ENU/?guid=GUID-F99097C7-0BB4-4B8E-A31E-91C246F93D4E

Curtis_Waguespack
Consultant

@Anonymous

 

Recall that prompted entry information resides only in the title block. So if in the future the company decides to update the title block with a new one, all of the prompted entry information might get lost.

 

The only time we would use prompted entry is when the information is different from sheet to sheet. Otherwise we always want to be pulling information from a document source, whether that be the drawing document or the model document depends on the information. We use both sources. 

 

Further, the suggestion to edit an individual titleblock and make it different from the standard would be frowned upon, as it would create a "bastardization" of the standard

 

 

 

 

Anonymous
Not applicable

I was unable to accomplish this directly with something as simple as Curtis suggested, but I was able to find a work around.  I created a new sheet and added the part/assembly that I wanted as my 'main' view to assign iproperties in my title block.  Then I activated my previous sheet that has multiple other views (of assembly components).  I selected all the views in the model window then right click and choose copy.  Then right-click on the newly created sheet and paste.  Then go back and delete the sheet that was incorrectly identifying the view to display in title block.

freesbee
Collaborator

What Michael.Marx means is "to be able to define the initial view" on the drawing sheet, which is controlling all iProperties ported to the TitleBlock, and which is controlling since the 2016 also the sheet property "initial view scale" (which is normally used in the TitleBlock for the scale which follows the 1st view placed on the drawing).

To my current knowledge it is not possible to reorder the collection of views on the drawing sheet, even from the API, and for that reason people are doing wild actions as for example moving all views to another sheet, leaving on the sheet the view they want to control the titleblock, and then back.

I have also considered the possibility to write a VB command that does that job (let the user select one view, then move all the others to another sheet and back). I am a little bit under pressure for other deadlines at the moment, but I'll take a chance on this if I find the time.

But if people will push this idea up to 100, maybe Autodesk will come up with a formal solution??

theo_karypidis
Contributor

This is unfortunately not solved yet. Till they add it as a feature, there is a workaround.. 

 

Copy the view that the title block is using, and paste it somewhere in the drawing. Then delete that view, and replace it with the one you pasted. This way its like you added the view last. Keep this up until the view that you want to use for title block is on top of the tree. 

 

I hole this helps

ChristiPedersen
Advocate

When creating an Inventor drawing sheet, the first view on the sheet determines the source of the title block data.  When multiple assemblies are placed on same sheet, sometimes it isn't realized till later you want the title block source view to be another view besides the 1st one that had been placed.  Ability to reassign view priority on sheet would be helpful instead of creating a new sheet and dragging/dropping each view onto it.

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Anonymous
Not applicable

Great idea!. I have this problem regularly and have often had to delete the first view created to make the desired view the main view. This is particularly an issue when the main view drives the scale on the title block.

 

I know we should plan our views before starting, but often the layout evolves as the drawing is created and the first view gets relegated to being a secondary view.

dan_inv09
Advisor

I have had to copy to a different sheet format and had it decide a different view was primary on paste.

michael_marx
Advocate
lune.riezebos
Enthusiast

If you have a drawing the partslist, scale, border information is all linked to the first view you enter on the drawing.

Sometimes you start with the incorrect order of adding your parts on the drawing.

workaround is for instance deleting the first view (with all the work you have already done), or creating a new sheet and copying all views to that new sheet (in the right order).

This is all very cumbersome.

You really want a simple way to change the "initial view" to another part or assembly.

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michael_marx
Advocate
michael_marx
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Fejer.Tamas
Explorer

Maybe a little less painful workaround could be to create a new sheet and in the tree pane drag here the desired new main view first, then drag all the others including Parts List and other elements. Afterwards the original (empty) sheet can be deleted.
The advantage is that the view goes to the same place on the new sheet as it was previously. Unfortunately, if there are dependent views, they are not moved together with the main view. Expanding all children, the dependent views can be also ctrl-selected one-by-one and then they move together with the main view and keep alignment and relative position.

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