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Want to copy a sketch from autocad that wont be broken

mmatanlevi
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Want to copy a sketch from autocad that wont be broken

mmatanlevi
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Hello,

 

I want to build a profile with Contour Flange in Sheet Metal. I have the side section of the profile in the autocad (file attahced, the top drawing is the profile and the bottom drawing is what I copy and paste). I can measure the lines and angles and sketch it in Inventor, but I want to shorten the process by copy the profile and paste it into Inventor, the thing is that the sketch in the Inventor is broken apart and I cant Contour Flange it all, just some sections of it (Inventor file attached). I have tried to join the lines in Autocad but the Inventor still relate it as "different lines". Maybe you have an idea to get this process done properly? wether it is something that I need to do in the Autocad drawing or an alternative method to quickly sketch it exactly the same in the Inventor.

 

Thank you very much in advance.

 

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kacper.suchomski
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Hi

Check if you have checked the compatibility constraints option in the import window.

Everything works for me.

 


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pcrawley
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The AutoCAD drawing contains 'proxy objects' (things drawn using something other than "plain AutoCAD").  If you explode the object, you'll see it isn't drawn using continuous lines - so Inventor will struggle to make any sense of it.

 

In the attached copy of your drawing, you'll find a red polyline created in AutoCAD which follows the contour you are trying to follow.  Note I didn't add the radii - the contour flange will do the bends for you based on your sheet metal rule.

 

If you are looking for shortcuts for getting AutoCAD profiles into Inventor, get to know the polyline command - it'll save you lots of time because it creates a single connected shape that Inventor loves.  I'd also recommend 'bpoly' for creating a boundary polyline around a closed shape (like hatching, but without the hatch).

 

Second thing I'd recommend: Don't use Copy and Paste.  Don't quote me, but I vaguely remember something about the Windows clipboard only being 16bit accuracy - and that kills some of the accuracy when pasting vector data between applications.  In your drawing, I copied and pasted the polyline and found errors on the first dimension I added at the 4th decimal.  Ok - it's not much, but the errors accumulate in more complex profiles. 

2023-10-30_12-20-34.jpg

Use either Import, or "Insert" when you're in a part file - then use the "Project DWG Geometry". 

Both are slower than Ctrl+C Ctrl+V - but you will get better data in Inventor.

Peter
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mmatanlevi
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Hey, thank you very much. I actually try to Contour Flange the red POLYLINE you attached, and is still dont recognize it as a one profile for the Flange. In other words, I can only click parts of it and not the whole POLYLINE. obviously, when I sketch this thing manually in the Inventor, the Contour Flange recognize it as one profile.

by the way, thank you for both the insert/import tip and the Bpoly command.
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mmatanlevi
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Hey, thank you very much. I didnt see this option. When I click "Import", I then chose the DWG file, then a plane, and that's it. maybe I am missing something?


When I click "Insert" I got this page:

 

mmatanlevi_0-1698663656714.png

 

is it relevant maybe?

 

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JDMather
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@mmatanlevi 

The original geometry in AutoCAD is poorly done.

Lines are not perfectly horizontal, vertical, parallel, perpendicular.

This is very simple geometry.

I would simply use the AutoCAD as reference in creating proper high-quality geometry natively in Inventor/


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mmatanlevi
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Of course, in this particular instance its quick and easy drawing, but there are two main points I want to achieve: First, the case where the geometry is not that simple or that there are several geometries, so "auto" process would be very helpful. Second, I want to achieve high precision. If I do the sketch I have to measure the lines and angles and eventually finish up with some precision errors

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pcrawley
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Regarding "Import" - You click the plane for the sketch - and then it asks for a point.  If the Inventor part file is empty, select the part origin point in the browser.  Note that this this point represents the WCS 0,0,0 point in the AutoCAD drawing.  So if you have a point on your sketch in AutoCAD that you would like placed on the origin in Inventor, move the sketch in AutoCAD.  

 

Regarding the red polyline - this is how it works for me.  Are you following a different workflow?

Contour flange.gif

Peter
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Frederick_Law
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What you got in the AutoCAD file is not polyline.  Part of it is polyline.  Some of it is not:

Polyline-01.jpg

 

Looks like import dimension is accurate:

Polyline-02.jpg

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Frederick_Law
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The section looks like a long straight is in fact 3 lines and 2 arc.

Not connected.

Polyline-03.jpg

 

Garbage in, garbage out.

Clean up the AutoCAD before import to Inventor.

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JDMather
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@mmatanlevi wrote:

Second, I want to achieve high precision.


@mmatanlevi 
Then start with high quality geometry in AutoCAD.

If the AutoCAD geometry is rubbish then the AutoCAD user would benefit from training.


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mmatanlevi
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Hey. Can you elaborate what was wrong with the AutoCad drawing? I mean, it is actually not my drawing it something I got and it reflect the exact profile of the sheet metal produced. Let me know what need an improvement please, I would be happy to fix it and learn.

 

Thank you!

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mmatanlevi
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Thank you. So the aim is to make it all a one polyline?
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Frederick_Law
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Lets start from the beginning.

What do you need to do?

How and where did you get the ACAD file?

 

Looks like someone got a PNG file and traced it in ACAD.

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johnsonshiue
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Hi! I suggest you look into DWG Underlay workflow. You will need to start a new part -> Import -> pick the dwg file -> pick an origin plane -> pick the origin point. The dwg geometry will be linked to the Inventor part. Then create a 2D sketch on the origin plane -> Project DWG Geometry -> pick the dwg geometry. After that, the sketch can be used to create new features.

Many thanks!



Johnson Shiue (johnson.shiue@autodesk.com)
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mmatanlevi
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Hey. eventually I want to achieve that:

 

mmatanlevi_0-1698749358487.png

 

 

I got this ACAD from my colleague. So I measure the angles between the lines and the length of the lines and than sketch it by myself on a plane in Inventor, without including the bending, just straight lines. Then Contour Flange...

This process is easy but when it come to bunch of profiles and more complicated (though still quite simple) geometries, I wonder maybe I could just copy what already found in the ACAD, but it seems Inventor doesnt like it.

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mmatanlevi
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Hey, I just try it again and its works well, sorry for bothering, I might did a mistake in the first trial. Thank you very much.

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