Tube and Pipe troubles: red routes, sick routes, broken tube segments, etc.

Tube and Pipe troubles: red routes, sick routes, broken tube segments, etc.

thenottakenname
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Tube and Pipe troubles: red routes, sick routes, broken tube segments, etc.

thenottakenname
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Hello all,

 

I'll start off by saying I can't post the assembly, as it's a contract job.

 

I have two assemblies, basically a mirror of each other but constructed separately. I used tube and pipe runs to connect small tubing between instruments and piping. As the length of the rack changed, that tubing would change to match, like it's supposed to. Until yesterday.

 

I deleted and placed a new valve in the assembly (building the main piping runs outside of T&P until I build a library for it) but when I went to constrain it, thus changing the length of the assembly, Inventor would crash while it was doing the updates -- no crash report or anything came up, just a full CTD. I did have a route attached to a sketch on the face of the valve, and after about six crashes or so, deleted that route. However, I was unable to delete the tube segment, so I just deleted the sweep and work features associated with it and disabled the part, but it's still in the tree. So for that first assembly, everything appears now as it should.

 

For the second assembly, I basically just retraced my steps on what worked in the first. This time though, after inserting the new valve, all the runs I had made just blew up. The routes adapted to the length changes, but the tubing stayed as it was. Dragging a tube or route would cause a small rebuild, and the tubing would almost be correct, but now the tubing seems offset from the route. In the parts tree, routes are showing up in red, or sick, or both, while some tube segments have the blue "i" next to them. If I right-click -> show violations, it tells me "error found in solve" or sometimes that there's just an error and it doesn't know what. I've tried going to manage -> rebuild all, but nothing changes. I've gone to iProperties -> Occurrence to make sure that adaptivity is checked. I've tried changing the lengths of some segments (I would draw a route out of a valve/instrument and then autoroute the stretch between them), but that isn't working. If I delete the tube segment, it also clears out the route, although it leaves the entry in the parts tree. I've also tried going into the route and deleting/reapplying constraints, but that's giving me errors every time I try to do something there.

 

I probably could have redone this by now, but I would rather know why this all happened so that I can avoid/fix it in the future. Attaching a few pictures to show what I mean.

 

tl;dr:

 

-Why can't I delete a tube segment without it clearing the route sketch?

-Why are routes no longer attached to parts they were constrained to?

-Why aren't tube segments updating to match routes?

-Why can't I delete tube segments with the blue "i" next to them, or some without?

-Is there any way to check what's wrong with the red routes? (literally opened the sketch, deleted everything, redrew and it's still red)

 

Thanks in advance for any kind of help!

 

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Aaron Wilson
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janelson33
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The tube and pipe environment is literal trash: Is this your first time using it? 

 

I've basically encountered the same issues, the environment isn't finished from what I understand: https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/inventor-forum/tube-and-pipe-problems/m-p/8451186#M724308 

 

My condolences if you actually have to use this for work, I was just trying to model an internal test system to better represent it in presentations to my boss or customers.

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thenottakenname
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Well I'll still try to keep some faith. It's not exactly my first time using it, but still basically a beginner with it. It's not required for work, I'm just trying to shortcut drawing tubing from instruments to valves without having to 3D sketch/sweep each and every one, and then fix them every time the rack length changes. I haven't had a problem like this since I've started using T&P to do the tubing -- the tubing is pretty basic compared to doing whole runs or something.


Aaron Wilson
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thenottakenname
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Now some of my routes are turning teal on another assembly, but those seem easy enough to fix. Literally open the route, change a dim, then change it back. Rebuilds the tubing like nothing was ever wrong. Don't know what to make of that one either.


Aaron Wilson
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