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This seems too straight forward - Stress analysis on bicycle saddle rails

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Tom9V4YF
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This seems too straight forward - Stress analysis on bicycle saddle rails

I'm leaning more into the forum now than ever as I'm totally lost with this bicycle saddle I'm trying to design. I'm putting together a stress analysis that I'll try to correlate in the lab with a three-point test.

 

Does this look alright to everyone? How can I improve it? I'm used to fluid flow simulations, and I'd work a lot more heavily on setting up the physics for the simulation.

 

 

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blandb
in reply to: Tom9V4YF

Unfortunately we are missing your analysis information.

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Tom9V4YF
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How can I export the simulation? The only option I had was that it was in the .ipt already completed as an analysis under the environments.

 

I managed to get the attached pdf printed out, though.

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blandb
in reply to: Tom9V4YF

There should be a folder where the part sits that has the same name then inside that AIP folder > FEA >  then all the items. Just zip and paste in the main folder with the same name as the part.

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Tom9V4YF
in reply to: Tom9V4YF

Think I did it now!

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swalton
in reply to: Tom9V4YF

FEA is like CFD. 

 

Boundary Conditions make or break the simulation.

 

Is the real-world rail fixed for both translation and rotation at the vertical ends of the rail?  Is the rider weight (Force:1) in the sim applied to the entire lower section between the bends?

 

Looking at the seat post for my old mountain bike, I see that the rail is only fixed for a short section of the lower section.  A better model might limit the force to the clamp section of the seat post.  Not all seat posts are vertical, so you may need to change the direction of the force to better match the frame geometry. 

 

Another thought:  Is there a way to fix the seat post section of the frame rail and apply forces to the ends of the rail?  Have you considered how the saddle surfaces distribute the rider's weight to the rails?

 

What does the Free Body Diagram of the saddle/post look like?  How about the Free Body Diagram of the saddle surfaces/rail?  Do the reaction forces from the simulation correlate with the hand calc from the FBD?  If you Right-Click on each constraint after the run, you should get the reaction forces and moments.

 

I've added some more FEA models to your part.  Take a look at the Split feature in the model tree.  It is a way to apply a boundary condition to a sub-set of a modeled surface.  This may help as you translate the boundary conditions from the Free Body Diagrams to the simulation.  Inventor Nastran has more options for applying loads and boundary conditions.

 

Mesh:  Like CFD, FEA accuracy is related to mesh size.  Inventor's FEA mesh sizing tools are based on the bounding box of the model.  I prefer Ansys, where I can set a default element size in model units.  The way around Inventor's shortcoming is to use a Local Mesh Control.  Local control lets the user prescribe the mesh size in model units.  The number of nodes/elements is shown in the graphics window if the user right-clicks on the mesh node and selects Mesh View. 

 

Mesh Results:
As Posted settings: 3549 Nodes/1928 Elements, Peak Stress 496.9 MPa (1 run, default convergence setting)

1mm sizing on all model surfaces: 100504 Nodes/66021 Elements, Peak Stress 662.7 MPa (1 run, default convergence setting)

 

Convergence: 

Take a look at the Convergence plot for each simulation.  The As Posted model converged to 1.5% with the default settings.  Once I changed the mesh size, I had to adjust the convergence settings to get below 10% delta between runs. There are some singularities at the model edges near the boundary conditions.  They may be simulation artifacts or they may be real.  Engineering judgement is required.

 

Note the run time for each of the sims in the model.  The finer mesh and the convergence changes added time for the solutions, but not more then a minute or two on my old desktop.

 

Finally: Inventor's basic FEA is limited to linear loads, small displacements, and isotropic materials.  Carbon fiber composites are not linear isotropic materials.  If you need to understand how the layup, resin selection or other details affect the results, try Inventor Nastran, Ansys, or another FEA code that understands the physics of composite structures. 

Steve Walton
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Tom9V4YF
in reply to: Tom9V4YF

This is fantastic. I'm going to work through this comment now but incredible informative and kind of you to share. Thank you.

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