Inventor 2019 Axis-to-Axis Mate Constraint Default To Forced "Opposed" Solution

Inventor 2019 Axis-to-Axis Mate Constraint Default To Forced "Opposed" Solution

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Inventor 2019 Axis-to-Axis Mate Constraint Default To Forced "Opposed" Solution

jletcher
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I understand you added it from someones idea, but why could you not have left the default selection the old way? This way it does not screw up other peoples workflows?

 

 

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When on the fly this thing is now a nightmare. I don't understand why it was even needed but now more clicks more wasted time for me and others.

 

Make it so users can default to old style please, these are things you should be thinking when making changes. I understand you wanted to please someone but don't do it at the expense of others. You can leave it just change default default to old style, I will never have a need for this new way.

 

This is going to drive me nuts and many users have already called asking if there is a way to default to old.

 

This should be easy to fix.

kelly.young has edited your subject line for clarity: 2019 New mate constraint nightmare

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@Mark.Lancaster wrote:

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You retired?  How does @jletcher know this and you didn't even tell me..  Smiley Sad


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Mark,

I wish... I've got a LONG way to go on that front.. 30+ years before thats going to happen.. 

(well.. only if I was to actually continue to follow the broken system of get a job/work hard/retire with little to nothing).. 

 

Just another case of @jletcher being wrong or wrongly assuming something.. 

I'm an active user that uses Inventor for production uses on a daily basis.. 

I'm not an instructor/VAR or anything else.. 100% true/highly active Inventor user here..

 

I actually agree with jletcher on some things.. This just isn't one of them... 

 



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@mcgyvr

 

If you're retired ...I'm not helping with the German to English anymore...

 

 


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@mdavis22569 wrote:

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If you're retired ...I'm not helping with the German to English anymore...

 

 


@mdavis22569 Too creepy I was literally just creating a new installation manual seconds ago and copying the translated text you helped me with..



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lol..... hidden cameras 


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@mdavis22569 wrote:

lol..... hidden cameras 


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Doh...Found it...

I always though that the belly button of that fluffy teddy bear you gave me for Valentines day this year was a little too glossy.. Now I know why.. 

 



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Don't forget to check the teddy's eyes. They are actually a stereo-view-HD-camera Smiley LOL

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Don't forget to check the teddy's eyes. They are actually a stereo-view-HD-camera Smiley LOL


So you got the same teddy from @mdavis22569?.. I thought he said I was his only "special little sailor". Smiley Sad



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I have drones .... 

 

 


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A option of choosing which is default would have been lovely. just got this option (upgraded to 2020 from 2017) and it is a nightmare. The ability to directionally constrain is a great idea, but having it turned on is to me the issue.

 

An example is the assembly I am working on where I need to place 2800 flat head screws. The directional constraint is wrong for all of them so I need to add an extra click to make this work. that is 2800 clicks I did not have to make before on this one assembly. Given that there is a significant increase in the work required due to the new setting. had they made the default not directionally constrained there would be no change.

 

The fact is they added a constraining feature which changes the way that it functions, and they had the option to chose not constrained to keep from forcing a constraint.

I think the option to directionally constrain is something I am going to use, just adding a secondary constraint to a tool when it is not necessary is a bad choice.


@Xun.Zhang wrote:

Hello James,

Appreciate for these valuable comments! 

No, we respect you indeed no matter who speak out opinion, please don't think in that way. We respect every opinion and everyone can share the opinion for sure.

 

OK, Let's talk one by one.

1) When placing parts in assembly I have the option to rotate my part on insert so the direction of my part can be done at that time if I wanted to. Undirected axis constraint will not flip the part when placed.

This is true, because Undirected just match the minimal rotation of position for both components. However, before that, you have to free rotate at least one of component to the right direction firstly. Am I right? If so, why not to leverage directional way instead of the pre-rotation of component?

my workflow is to constrain centers then flush/mate with the head of the bolt and last constrain the bolt to keep it from rotating. when I constrain the centers it automatically moves the bolt to follow this constraint, now I have to see if the bolt is turned the right way or change the directional constraint

2) The new options does not control the motion along the axis. Thus making a 2nd constraint a must to control that motion, at that time the direction of the part can be placed.

Sorry, it is not that clear for me.

if I constrain two centers(axis) I can still rotate and translate(linear movement in the direction of the axis) on that axis, the new setting just controls which direction the bolt head is facing. I still need to connect the bolt head to a surface to stop translating motion and a constraint to keep the bolt from rotating.

 

Ok, Let's start with some pros and cons for Undirected and directional.

Undirected - Minimal rotation when preview; the result can flip if the component free rotation angle > 90 degree; Additional face mate (direction protection) is required to persist the result. 

Directional - Not minimal rotation due to direction option when preview; the result is persist no matter how to rotate the component; additional face mate (direction protection) is not required to persist the result.

how are you stopping translation without a face constraint of some sort?

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SBix26
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Not disagreeing, but wondering if flat head screws (countersunk head) wouldn't be better constrained by tapered face to countersunk hole (unless the countersink angles don't match).  This would be one constraint with no directional issue, rather than two constraints.

 

The other possible workaround is to go ahead and place your first constraint, switching to the opposite directed sub-type (aligned or opposed).  Inventor 2020 remembers which one you've previously used, even across Inventor sessions, so you should be good for the other 2799 screws.  In my brief experimentation, though, it does not remember the Undirected sub-type.


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BWMcDowell
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@SBix26 wrote:

Not disagreeing, but wondering if flat head screws (countersunk head) wouldn't be better constrained by tapered face to countersunk hole (unless the countersink angles don't match).  This would be one constraint with no directional issue, rather than two constraints.

True, I use 1 attached to the countersink to set depth. every same size countersink on that surface is flush with it I just was being fairly generic on my description

 

The other possible workaround is to go ahead and place your first constraint, switching to the opposite directed sub-type (aligned or opposed).  Inventor 2020 remembers which one you've previously used, even across Inventor sessions, so you should be good for the other 2799 screws.  In my brief experimentation, though, it does not remember the Undirected sub-type.

will have to try that on the next one, wish it kept undirected


 


 

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SBix26
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If you use the countersunk face constraint for all the screws, you don't need the axis constraint at all.  In fact, if you're using Content Center flat head screws, they have an iMate defined for the countersunk face, so you only have to Alt-drag to the countersunk hole and drop it.  Might be helpful.


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josh.nieman
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Axis to Axis Constraints have been working satisfactorily on through 2022.2.  Thanks,

thanks