I cannot Close Loop to obtain a profile when using sketch blocks

[cyberider]

Why?

Right-clicking and using the "Close Loop" command will NOT let me select the sketch blocks.

[cyberider]

Why?

Right-clicking and using the "Close Loop" command will NOT let me select the sketch blocks.

[torbjorn]

Still there in IN2019...

Old annoying bug - it seems that a part of a sketch block cannot be part of a region. A region must be fully enclosed by either a sketch block, or only geometry created in the sketch. 

To get around this you need to trace the ekstra geometry on top of the sketch block to close the region. (Yes, double lines ) Here you need to be careful so the end points are coincident to sketch geometry not to the block, if not the region still isn't valid.

Torbjørn

Inventor 2017.4

[torbjorn]

Still there in IN2019...

Old annoying bug - it seems that a part of a sketch block cannot be part of a region. A region must be fully enclosed by either a sketch block, or only geometry created in the sketch. 

To get around this you need to trace the ekstra geometry on top of the sketch block to close the region. (Yes, double lines ) Here you need to be careful so the end points are coincident to sketch geometry not to the block, if not the region still isn't valid.

Torbjørn

Inventor 2017.4

[Marco.Takx]

Hi @cyberider,

Like @torbjorn said it's an annoying bug.

You have created those rectangles and Circles within a Sketch Block.

You connected it with lines.

At this moment Inventor doesn't see a closed loop between the lines and the sketch blocks.

1. Or you connect the end points with a arc (For the circles).
2. Or explode the sketch block and Split the circle. (Than it isn't a sketch Block anymore)

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[Marco.Takx]

Hi @cyberider,

Like @torbjorn said it's an annoying bug.

You have created those rectangles and Circles within a Sketch Block.

You connected it with lines.

At this moment Inventor doesn't see a closed loop between the lines and the sketch blocks.

1. Or you connect the end points with a arc (For the circles).
2. Or explode the sketch block and Split the circle. (Than it isn't a sketch Block anymore)

If my post answers your question Please use  .Accept as Solution & Kudos This helps everyone find answers more quickly!

[cyberider]

1. How is this a solution if it is a bug?
2. How can this be a bug when this is extremely basic? This is not an edge case, this is an extremely popular use case.
3. How can this even be a bug? This means that there is no test coverage of inventor code. If this can be a bug, then Inventor is full of bugs and always will be.
4. I am using sketch blocks a lot, because all Inventor users should. But now we are expected to go to each and every sketch block we use in a sketch and manually by hand create new, overlapping curves to deal with this bug that should not be a bug in the first place? 

[cyberider]

1. How is this a solution if it is a bug?
2. How can this be a bug when this is extremely basic? This is not an edge case, this is an extremely popular use case.
3. How can this even be a bug? This means that there is no test coverage of inventor code. If this can be a bug, then Inventor is full of bugs and always will be.
4. I am using sketch blocks a lot, because all Inventor users should. But now we are expected to go to each and every sketch block we use in a sketch and manually by hand create new, overlapping curves to deal with this bug that should not be a bug in the first place? 

[johnsonshiue]

Hi! Yes, this is a very annoying behavior, I agree. Inventor sketch profile recognition is constraint based, not geometry based. Currently, the behavior is indeed a limitation. We are aware of the deficiency and we are working on a solution for future releases.

Many thank!

[johnsonshiue]

Hi! Yes, this is a very annoying behavior, I agree. Inventor sketch profile recognition is constraint based, not geometry based. Currently, the behavior is indeed a limitation. We are aware of the deficiency and we are working on a solution for future releases.

Many thank!

[cyberider]

Hi Johnson, you say "Inventor sketch profile recognition is constraint based, not geometry based."

However all the curves in my examples are constrained to each other. It is a closed profile loop but Inventor doesn't recognize it as a closed loop and will not let you use the Closed Loop tool to force itself to recognize all the constrained curves as a closed loop.

[cyberider]

Hi Johnson, you say "Inventor sketch profile recognition is constraint based, not geometry based."

However all the curves in my examples are constrained to each other. It is a closed profile loop but Inventor doesn't recognize it as a closed loop and will not let you use the Closed Loop tool to force itself to recognize all the constrained curves as a closed loop.

[johnsonshiue · Accepted solution]

Hi! When there are blocks in a sketch, the entire block is considered a rigid set. Although the additional geometry forms a closed loop, Inventor still does not recognize it unfortunately. I am using your case to test our new profile solution. I will let you know what I find.

Many thanks!

[johnsonshiue · Accepted solution]

Hi! When there are blocks in a sketch, the entire block is considered a rigid set. Although the additional geometry forms a closed loop, Inventor still does not recognize it unfortunately. I am using your case to test our new profile solution. I will let you know what I find.

Many thanks!

[johnsonshiue]

Hi! I try this particular case using our internal sketch profile build. The profiles are properly recognized. Unfortunately, the ability to do that is limited to future release, the the existing releases.

Many thanks!

[johnsonshiue]

Hi! I try this particular case using our internal sketch profile build. The profiles are properly recognized. Unfortunately, the ability to do that is limited to future release, the the existing releases.

Many thanks!