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Anonymous · ‎10-31-2002

This was brought up in the legacy NG.

If I make a part out of steel and then one out of AL and put them in an assy
and then and IDW and make a section view. Both parts use ANSI 31 as the
hatch style. They should use the proper hatch style for the material. This
is not the case in 5, 5.3 or 6. Is this a bug or was this functionality not
included. If not then it probably should in the future..

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Anonymous · ‎10-31-2002

I caught that post as well. I was going to reply when I got home. In my
Technical Drawing Book (cant remember rev - that's why I was going to wait)
it says there are different hatch patterns for different materials blah
blah, but it is widely accepted to use ANSI 31 for all materials.

Stay tuned for exact quote. (after I get home)

This makes me wonder if they intend on adding the functionality.

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Cory McConnell
BJ pipeline Inspection
"Sean Dotson" wrote in message
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> This was brought up in the legacy NG.
>
> If I make a part out of steel and then one out of AL and put them in an
assy
> and then and IDW and make a section view. Both parts use ANSI 31 as the
> hatch style. They should use the proper hatch style for the material.
This
> is not the case in 5, 5.3 or 6. Is this a bug or was this functionality
not
> included. If not then it probably should in the future..
>
> --
> Sean Dotson, PE
> http://www.sdotson.com
> remove all #s from email
> -----------------------------------------
>
>

Anonymous · ‎10-31-2002

Latest ANSI drafting standards (ANSI Y14.3M) have changed that (showing your
age again Sean). For mechanical applications the standard calls for all
materials to use a common hatch pattern. Architectural applications still
use various patterns to denote different materials.

I have posted a page from the Drawing Requirements Manual (10th Ed).

--
Hal Gwin
Mechanical Designer
Xenogen

Anonymous · ‎10-31-2002

It does not say ANSI Y14.3M at the top. This is an internal standard for
you company -- not ANSI.

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Ole Germer
Mechanical Machine Design and Drafting Service
http://germer.tripod.ca/index.html

"Hal Gwin" wrote in message
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> Latest ANSI drafting standards (ANSI Y14.3M) have changed that (showing
your
> age again Sean). For mechanical applications the standard calls for all
> materials to use a common hatch pattern. Architectural applications still
> use various patterns to denote different materials.
>
> I have posted a page from the Drawing Requirements Manual (10th Ed).
>
>
> --
> Hal Gwin
> Mechanical Designer
> Xenogen
>
>

Anonymous · ‎10-31-2002

"(showing your age again Sean)"

um.. I'm at the other end of that spectrum Hal. I think they made us draw
on a drafting table in college just so we could say we did it...

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"Hal Gwin" wrote in message
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> Latest ANSI drafting standards (ANSI Y14.3M) have changed that (showing
your
> age again Sean). For mechanical applications the standard calls for all
> materials to use a common hatch pattern. Architectural applications still
> use various patterns to denote different materials.
>
> I have posted a page from the Drawing Requirements Manual (10th Ed).
>
>
> --
> Hal Gwin
> Mechanical Designer
> Xenogen
>
>

Anonymous · ‎10-31-2002

True Ole, however the Drawing Requirements Manual, published by Global
Engineering Documents, is in conformance with the latest ANSI and MIL
drafting standards. The wording of the paragraph regarding section hatch
patterns comes out of the ANSI standard virtually word for word.

--
Hal Gwin
Mechanical Designer
Xenogen

Anonymous · ‎10-31-2002

I kind of thought you were probably closer to 30 than to 40.

As far as the sectioning, the drafting text books (generalizing of course)
haven't been brought up to the latest ANSI or MIL or any other standards in
the past 20+ years. I taught drafting for about 3 years and that was always
a problem, "This is what the book says but this is what the standards say".

--
Hal Gwin
Mechanical Designer
Xenogen

Anonymous · ‎10-31-2002

BTW Hal,
I have the ANSI Y14.5M 1982 Standard. There is no mention of hatching
in this standard -- just dimensioning and tolerancing. At the back of this
standard other standards are listed. The standard you are looking for is
called American National Standard Drafting Practices -- Multi and Sectional
View Drawings Y14.3-1975(R1980).
http://www.asmeny.org/cgi-bin/web015c?CS+Y14
This is the final word on the appropriate standard pertaining to everyone's
questions. ASME Multiview and Sectional View Drawings Y14.3M Published 1994
(Reaffirmed year: 1999)($42 for 52 pages). It also shows Engineering Drawing
Practices Y14.100-2000 Published 2001($52 for 54 pages). Which show what you
are after can only be gotten if you purchase the standards.
BTW Standards found in technical colleges or even universities are near
to zero. So good luck with your conjectures.

--
Ole Germer
Mechanical Machine Design and Drafting Service
http://germer.tripod.ca/index.html

"Hal Gwin" wrote in message
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> True Ole, however the Drawing Requirements Manual, published by Global
> Engineering Documents, is in conformance with the latest ANSI and MIL
> drafting standards. The wording of the paragraph regarding section hatch
> patterns comes out of the ANSI standard virtually word for word.
>
>
> --
> Hal Gwin
> Mechanical Designer
> Xenogen
>
>

Anonymous · ‎10-31-2002

I agree with you 100%.
--
Hal Gwin
Mechanical Designer
Xenogen

Anonymous · ‎10-31-2002

Where did that book come from, Hal? Do you know if they have a new one for
ANSI Y14.5M 1994? Wonder if you could email me the title, author and maybe
the ISBN if you wouldn't mind. I have several books, but I know there are
things that aren't covered them so I keep looking around. Is that book
pretty comprehensive? Thanks!
~Larry

"Hal Gwin" wrote in message
news:1AF51FB8AF25392C1782050A47AC2530@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> Latest ANSI drafting standards (ANSI Y14.3M) have changed that (showing
your
> age again Sean). For mechanical applications the standard calls for all
> materials to use a common hatch pattern. Architectural applications still
> use various patterns to denote different materials.
>
> I have posted a page from the Drawing Requirements Manual (10th Ed).
>
>
> --
> Hal Gwin
> Mechanical Designer
> Xenogen
>
>

Anonymous · ‎10-31-2002

Thanks Ole ... didn't have that link.
~Larry

"Ole Germer" wrote in message
news:2AF5E17FA2592A01F7B39D4BA6F10848@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> BTW Hal,
> I have the ANSI Y14.5M 1982 Standard. There is no mention of hatching
> in this standard -- just dimensioning and tolerancing. At the back of
this
> standard other standards are listed. The standard you are looking for is
> called American National Standard Drafting Practices -- Multi and
Sectional
> View Drawings Y14.3-1975(R1980).
> http://www.asmeny.org/cgi-bin/web015c?CS+Y14
> This is the final word on the appropriate standard pertaining to
everyone's
> questions. ASME Multiview and Sectional View Drawings Y14.3M Published
1994
> (Reaffirmed year: 1999)($42 for 52 pages). It also shows Engineering
Drawing
> Practices Y14.100-2000 Published 2001($52 for 54 pages). Which show what
you
> are after can only be gotten if you purchase the standards.
> BTW Standards found in technical colleges or even universities are
near
> to zero. So good luck with your conjectures.
>
>
> --
> Ole Germer
> Mechanical Machine Design and Drafting Service
> http://germer.tripod.ca/index.html
>
>
>
>
> "Hal Gwin" wrote in message
> news:B617020D25D301F2BFE689FD5648EB06@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > True Ole, however the Drawing Requirements Manual, published by Global
> > Engineering Documents, is in conformance with the latest ANSI and MIL
> > drafting standards. The wording of the paragraph regarding section
hatch
> > patterns comes out of the ANSI standard virtually word for word.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Hal Gwin
> > Mechanical Designer
> > Xenogen
> >
> >
>
>

Anonymous · ‎10-31-2002

Larry,

It;s a green softbound book. I have it somewhere around here. ASME sells
them on their site www.asme.org

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"Larry Caldwell" wrote in message
news:B0E221F17D7C2ADB3477C3CD396A3026@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> Where did that book come from, Hal? Do you know if they have a new one for
> ANSI Y14.5M 1994? Wonder if you could email me the title, author and maybe
> the ISBN if you wouldn't mind. I have several books, but I know there are
> things that aren't covered them so I keep looking around. Is that book
> pretty comprehensive? Thanks!
> ~Larry
>
> "Hal Gwin" wrote in message
> news:1AF51FB8AF25392C1782050A47AC2530@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > Latest ANSI drafting standards (ANSI Y14.3M) have changed that (showing
> your
> > age again Sean). For mechanical applications the standard calls for all
> > materials to use a common hatch pattern. Architectural applications
still
> > use various patterns to denote different materials.
> >
> > I have posted a page from the Drawing Requirements Manual (10th Ed).
> >
> >
> > --
> > Hal Gwin
> > Mechanical Designer
> > Xenogen
> >
> >
>
>

Anonymous · ‎11-01-2002

Drawing Requirements Manual is published by Global Engineering Documents, a
subsidiary of IHS. They also publish and distribute standards from a
variety of standards organizations.

http://www.global.ihs.com/

The DRM is a very good start for an in-house drafting standard if you're not
inclined to reinvent the wheel.

--
Hal Gwin
Mechanical Designer
Xenogen

Anonymous · ‎11-01-2002

Thanks!
~Larry

"Sean Dotson" wrote in message
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> Larry,
>
> It;s a green softbound book. I have it somewhere around here. ASME sells
> them on their site www.asme.org
>
> --
> Sean Dotson
> Inventor Tutorials and More
> http://www.sdotson.com
> remove all #s from email to send
> "Larry Caldwell" wrote in message
> news:B0E221F17D7C2ADB3477C3CD396A3026@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > Where did that book come from, Hal? Do you know if they have a new one
for
> > ANSI Y14.5M 1994? Wonder if you could email me the title, author and
maybe
> > the ISBN if you wouldn't mind. I have several books, but I know there
are
> > things that aren't covered them so I keep looking around. Is that book
> > pretty comprehensive? Thanks!
> > ~Larry
> >
> > "Hal Gwin" wrote in message
> > news:1AF51FB8AF25392C1782050A47AC2530@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > > Latest ANSI drafting standards (ANSI Y14.3M) have changed that
(showing
> > your
> > > age again Sean). For mechanical applications the standard calls for
all
> > > materials to use a common hatch pattern. Architectural applications
> still
> > > use various patterns to denote different materials.
> > >
> > > I have posted a page from the Drawing Requirements Manual (10th Ed).
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Hal Gwin
> > > Mechanical Designer
> > > Xenogen
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

Anonymous · ‎11-01-2002

Thanks!
~Larry

"Hal Gwin" wrote in message
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> Drawing Requirements Manual is published by Global Engineering Documents,
a
> subsidiary of IHS. They also publish and distribute standards from a
> variety of standards organizations.
>
> http://www.global.ihs.com/
>
> The DRM is a very good start for an in-house drafting standard if you're
not
> inclined to reinvent the wheel.
>
>
> --
> Hal Gwin
> Mechanical Designer
> Xenogen
>
>

Anonymous · ‎11-07-2002

Just so you guys will know.... when I was PD'ing on DM, I ref'd the DRM
- had an online version (CD) for a ready resource.

I also used the publications from ASME and referenced the Technical Drawings
publication I got in college (I actually got the 5th edition, but we had the
10th at the office).
And of course... all the standards manuals - ANSI, BSI, DIN, GB, ISO, JIS

It can be challenging trying to find all pertinent material in six different
standards and then
come up with an object model that covers all of them. OK, OK, I'll quit
whinin'.

Available in CD are DRM and Machinery Handbook. PDF Format.
--
Bill Bogan

"Larry Caldwell" wrote in message
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> Thanks!
> ~Larry
>
>
> "Hal Gwin" wrote in message
> news:CC404923B9FE427DA50972DCCA6CAED4@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > Drawing Requirements Manual is published by Global Engineering
Documents,
> a
> > subsidiary of IHS. They also publish and distribute standards from a
> > variety of standards organizations.
> >
> > http://www.global.ihs.com/
> >
> > The DRM is a very good start for an in-house drafting standard if you're
> not
> > inclined to reinvent the wheel.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Hal Gwin
> > Mechanical Designer
> > Xenogen
> >
> >
>
>

Anonymous · ‎11-07-2002

Guess I'm not quiet deft enough to pick-up on your acronyms.

PD'ing ... no idea? DM ... Drawing Manual? DRM ... Drawing
Reference/Resource Manual? Available on CD where? Any links? Thanks!
~Larry

"Bill Bogan" wrote in message
news:DE1B37B3BAF935A5F1CE77F459E80105@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> Just so you guys will know.... when I was PD'ing on DM, I ref'd the DRM
> - had an online version (CD) for a ready resource.
>
> I also used the publications from ASME and referenced the Technical
Drawings
> publication I got in college (I actually got the 5th edition, but we had
the
> 10th at the office).
> And of course... all the standards manuals - ANSI, BSI, DIN, GB, ISO, JIS
>
> It can be challenging trying to find all pertinent material in six
different
> standards and then
> come up with an object model that covers all of them. OK, OK, I'll quit
> whinin'.
>
> Available in CD are DRM and Machinery Handbook. PDF Format.
> --
> Bill Bogan
>
> "Larry Caldwell" wrote in message
> news:9FECFE41FB43969822A052582080E048@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > Thanks!
> > ~Larry
> >
> >
> > "Hal Gwin" wrote in message
> > news:CC404923B9FE427DA50972DCCA6CAED4@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > > Drawing Requirements Manual is published by Global Engineering
> Documents,
> > a
> > > subsidiary of IHS. They also publish and distribute standards from a
> > > variety of standards organizations.
> > >
> > > http://www.global.ihs.com/
> > >
> > > The DRM is a very good start for an in-house drafting standard if
you're
> > not
> > > inclined to reinvent the wheel.
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Hal Gwin
> > > Mechanical Designer
> > > Xenogen
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

Anonymous · ‎11-07-2002

I think what Bill was trying to say is that everything the poor souls at
the IV development team does gets picked on by us users so he was too
chicken to tackle this one.

Can't say that I blame him.

Oh, and thanks for asking about the acronyms. I didn't understand them
either but was too chicken to ask. If Bill doesn't explain them, maybe
we can have a contest to find the 'Best' explanation.

Richard

Larry Caldwell wrote:
> Guess I'm not quiet deft enough to pick-up on your acronyms.
>
> PD'ing ... no idea? DM ... Drawing Manual? DRM ... Drawing
> Reference/Resource Manual? Available on CD where? Any links? Thanks!
> ~Larry

Anonymous · ‎11-07-2002

I'll give it a stab...
PD= Product Designing
DM= the Drawing Manager in Inventor

"Larry Caldwell" wrote in message
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> Guess I'm not quiet deft enough to pick-up on your acronyms.
>
> PD'ing ... no idea? DM ... Drawing Manual? DRM ... Drawing
> Reference/Resource Manual? Available on CD where? Any links? Thanks!
> ~Larry
>
>
> "Bill Bogan" wrote in message
> news:DE1B37B3BAF935A5F1CE77F459E80105@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > Just so you guys will know.... when I was PD'ing on DM, I ref'd the DRM
> > - had an online version (CD) for a ready resource.
> >
> > I also used the publications from ASME and referenced the Technical
> Drawings
> > publication I got in college (I actually got the 5th edition, but we had
> the
> > 10th at the office).
> > And of course... all the standards manuals - ANSI, BSI, DIN, GB, ISO,
JIS
> >
> > It can be challenging trying to find all pertinent material in six
> different
> > standards and then
> > come up with an object model that covers all of them. OK, OK, I'll quit
> > whinin'.
> >
> > Available in CD are DRM and Machinery Handbook. PDF Format.
> > --
> > Bill Bogan
> >
> > "Larry Caldwell" wrote in message
> > news:9FECFE41FB43969822A052582080E048@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > > Thanks!
> > > ~Larry
> > >
> > >
> > > "Hal Gwin" wrote in message
> > > news:CC404923B9FE427DA50972DCCA6CAED4@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > > > Drawing Requirements Manual is published by Global Engineering
> > Documents,
> > > a
> > > > subsidiary of IHS. They also publish and distribute standards from
a
> > > > variety of standards organizations.
> > > >
> > > > http://www.global.ihs.com/
> > > >
> > > > The DRM is a very good start for an in-house drafting standard if
> you're
> > > not
> > > > inclined to reinvent the wheel.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Hal Gwin
> > > > Mechanical Designer
> > > > Xenogen
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

Anonymous · ‎11-07-2002

Yeah ... lets have more contest I can loose!
~Larry

"Richard Hintehoeller" wrote in message
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> I think what Bill was trying to say is that everything the poor souls at
> the IV development team does gets picked on by us users so he was too
> chicken to tackle this one.
>
> Can't say that I blame him.
>
> Oh, and thanks for asking about the acronyms. I didn't understand them
> either but was too chicken to ask. If Bill doesn't explain them, maybe
> we can have a contest to find the 'Best' explanation.
>
> Richard
>
> Larry Caldwell wrote:
> > Guess I'm not quiet deft enough to pick-up on your acronyms.
> >
> > PD'ing ... no idea? DM ... Drawing Manual? DRM ... Drawing
> > Reference/Resource Manual? Available on CD where? Any links? Thanks!
> > ~Larry
>

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