Fed up with Autodesk

Fed up with Autodesk

RJR89
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Fed up with Autodesk

RJR89
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Anyone else completely fed up with Autodesk?

 

Each years release just seems to bring more unproductive gimmicks. The forums are ABSOLUTELY FULL of problems, some as far back as 2008 which Autodesk just seem to ignore rather than resolve.

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Message 21 of 51

mcgyvr
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@johnsonshiue wrote:

Could you give me an example of a dated issue not yet resolved? I am more than happy to take a look and follow up with project teams and get back to you.

 


https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/inventor-forum/a-short-letter-from-a-component-pattern/m-p/2821634/hi...

Smiley Very Happy

When were assembly folders a new feature? 2007?

11 years and the same limitations are still present for component patterns, cable/harness nodes/ virtual components/ tube and pipe nodes,etc.... 

This one cost me time EVERYDAY... 



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johnsonshiue
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Hi Brian,

 

Assembly folder was first available on Inventor 2010, not 2007. It was a while back indeed. As you know, that particular request is on our radar and it is done yet.

Many thanks!

 



Johnson Shiue ([email protected])
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Message 23 of 51

torbjorn_heglum2
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How about ifeatures to fully support multi-body?

I think multi-body was introduced around 2010, and still (at least in IV2017) we cannot place an ifeature as a new solid.

 

This could really speed up master part modelling.

 

Torbjørn

IV2017.4

 

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Message 24 of 51

johnsonshiue
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Guys,

 

We all know Inventor has a lot of room for improvement. Nobody doubts it. Whoever says otherwise is not using it. We all know everybody has good ideas to propose. However, please leverage Inventor Ideas forum or participate in Inventor Beta (https://bit.ly/InventorBeta). We cannot manage requests by forum threads. It makes it hard to track and confusing. Inventor cannot program itself. Things take time to do.

Let me repeat myself. Inventor is a no-so-perfect professional tool, built by a team of passionate people like you. Your feedback is more than welcome. To facilitate better communication, it is better to be specific and issue-oriented.

Many thanks!

 



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Message 25 of 51

mcgyvr
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@johnsonshiue wrote:

Hi Brian,

 

Assembly folder was first available on Inventor 2010, not 2007. It was a while back indeed. As you know, that particular request is on our radar and it is NOT done yet.

Many thanks!

 


Ok.. early 2009 then not 2007.. (I was trying to find the whats new sheets for back then and couldn't)

9 years (and counting) that a known issue has not been addressed.

The original post was to generate discussion of "problems that Autodesk just seems to ignore rather than resolve"..

You asked for a case.. I provided an example of exactly one that effects me on a daily basis and I'm quite sure others too..... 

Saying its on the "radar" isn't as resolution and doesn't mean squat.. 

From the user side is thats absolutely ignoring it... 

 

You forgot the "not" in the "it is done yet" part of your statement.. I corrected that in the quote above 😉

 

This seemed to be a "venting" post for them.. And well.. venting about my problems with browser folders helped me feel just a bit better today..

 

On and BTW... Users of the Inventor world....If you haven't already done so... Please click on the link below to vote for an idea for autodesk to fix the limitations with browser folders which don't work properly with component patterns, cable/harness and tube/pipe nodes as well as a few other browser items.. 

As the current backlog for the ideastation seems to be running around 4-5 years this one is past due 🙂

Click here to vote.. 

https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/inventor-ideastation/fix-browser-folder-quot-limitations-quot-with-co...

 

 

 

 



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RJR89
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hahahaha "it's on our radar", classic Autodesk for yeah we're ignoring that one.

I'm not wasting my time digging through forums for posts I already know offer no solutions but a few examples include:

around 2010 - BOM item numbers as view labels on their relevant parts/.ipt's that are associative within .idw's- not part number/filename before u say it. I know a software engineer that made a 3rd party add on that did enable this. He did it in less than  a day and has never dealt with CAD software in his life. (but currently autodesk seem to be taking around a decade. and counting)


around 2013 - .idw draw order for parts/edges in a drawing view. surely very simple yet ignored for around 5 years now.

 

Levels of Detail are a nightmare to manage and the forums are crammed with people begging for this to simplified. But at least I know it's "On Autodesks Radar".

 

Let me be clear, these are examples of requests (of which there are many) for very useful functionality that would save hours of work. Not usual stuff you see from newbies like, my inventor is always crashing or my model isn't turning out the way i want or I thought it Inventor would draw it for me.

 

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mcgyvr
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@RJR89 wrote:


I'm not wasting my time digging through forums for posts I already know offer no solutions but a few examples include:

 


Well.. to be fair... requests for new functionality doesn't really count as being ignored as that is driven by customer demand and I don't believe any of us single users are in the position to determine that the demand is there or not... Now show me where 10,000 users have stated that and sure... But a few hundred does not amount to sufficient demand to develop a new function..

 

I thought you were going to bring valid bugs or limitations that are being ignored..  boo.. Smiley Sad

And yes I suppose one could lump my browser folder issue into a new feature but I will argue all day that its a half finished function that hasn't been completed until it covers all browser nodes so its not "new functionality"

 

 

 

 



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RJR89
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I'm not wasting my time digging through forums for posts I already know offer no solutions but a few examples include:

 

^^^ sorry that wasn't aimed at you, rather the Autodesk employee with his head in the sand.

 

On the demand note though, I don't recall there being any demand for the Ribbon UI, The RC Marking Menu/Wheel and other things of that nature. Yet not only did we get it, some of it was forced onto us.

 

It's quite simple though, a change in UI isn't that big but it looks flashy for trying to convince people they're getting value for money regarding their hefty subscriptions.

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pball
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Might as well join in.

 

I reported that Inventor 2014 returns the last used printer instead of the default printer in the API. This is still true.

 

2016 when the new drawing view insert dialog came along, if a drawing view scale is changed it's possible a projected view will covered by the main view and the projected view cannot be moved while the view is being created. Reported and received bug 115291 as a number. Still broken in 2018.3

 

Reported with multiple versions. FileDialog.InitialDirectory is ignored if assembly is open. bug id 84729 and case id 13878504

 

2018 Measure tool includes units when copying value (win10 only). case id 13878504

 

API BOM sort method does not respect more than one sort priority. Johnson Shiue agrees this is a defect.

Call oBOMView.Sort("Part Number", True, "REQ Type", False)

 

Those are a few defects I've received official or unofficial responses from Autodesk employees that the issue is indeed a bug.

 

 

 

 

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dgorsman
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Consider that if Autodesk left everything in the UI as it was there would just as many voices complaining that the program looks like it's stuck in the 90's.  Ribbons are viewed as more consistent with other programs, and as more recent UI development they're also more tolerant of the higher resolution displays.

 

In the end we, the users, aren't in control of what gets developed and what doesn't.

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RJR89
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Hi pball,

 

A good input here. There is now a good spread of examples of bugs and functionality requests being ignored.

 

Thanks!

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johnsonshiue
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@RJR89,

 

Yes, it is a classic reply and yes, it is indeed on our radar and we have not got to it yet, as many other issues. But, one has to ask oneself if the tool gets the job done. If Inventor was not up to the task, it should have not existed and the market would have abandoned it. I am not trying to defend every decision the product team makes. We are just here to help. The fact that you are posting on the forum shows that you care as much as we do.

 

Regarding the BOM item number as part of the label, I am not surprised it can be done swiftly by an API savvy user. This is exact what API is for. Not every solution needs to be a new feature or new workflow. iLogic and API are powerful tools help customize workflows. Certainly, not every request can be fulfilled by iLogic and API. Some will require code change on Inventor side for sure.

 

Regarding the idw draw order request, do you mind elaborating that? I don't think that one can be done via iLogic and API. I would like to understand the request better.

 

LOD was designed to be a memory management tool for 32-bit Windows, because only up to 3GB memory was allowed for any given application to use back in the days. Without LOD, Inventor users would not be able to design a large assembly requiring more memory than 3GB. But, some users leverage it as a configuration tool, which is understandable. It does have a little bit configuration ability. However, the BOM view can only be unique at any given time. Also, only one LOD state can be saved at a time. These limitations make LOD ill suited for a configuration tool.

 

Just like any product in the market, Inventor will always have issues and there are always unfulfilled requests. It is an endless pursuit. I am so glad and so appreciative that the product we are building generates so much feedback albeit positive and negative. At the same time,  we can discuss these issues in a transparent fashion. I personally think it is a great improvement in the history of the tool.

BTW, our team helps resolve issues from customers still using 2010 or 2009 on a regular basis. In software industry, I do not believe it is a classic way of doing business.

Many thanks!

 

 

 

@RJR89 wrote:

hahahaha "it's on our radar", classic Autodesk for yeah we're ignoring that one.

I'm not wasting my time digging through forums for posts I already know offer no solutions but a few examples include:

around 2010 - BOM item numbers as view labels on their relevant parts/.ipt's that are associative within .idw's- not part number/filename before u say it. I know a software engineer that made a 3rd party add on that did enable this. He did it in less than  a day and has never dealt with CAD software in his life. (but currently autodesk seem to be taking around a decade. and counting)


around 2013 - .idw draw order for parts/edges in a drawing view. surely very simple yet ignored for around 5 years now.

 

Levels of Detail are a nightmare to manage and the forums are crammed with people begging for this to simplified. But at least I know it's "On Autodesks Radar".

 

Let me be clear, these are examples of requests (of which there are many) for very useful functionality that would save hours of work. Not usual stuff you see from newbies like, my inventor is always crashing or my model isn't turning out the way i want or I thought it Inventor would draw it for me.

 


 



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Message 33 of 51

RJR89
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Yeah of course, I think people would expect that the UI be spruced up occasionally at least.

I'm just starting to think it's coming at the expense of truly beneficial upgrades.

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RJR89
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I couldn't resist

 

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johnsonshiue
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@pball,

 

I will need to dig into our defect system and get back to you with each issue you mentioned here.

Many thanks!

 


@pball wrote:

Might as well join in.

 

I reported that Inventor 2014 returns the last used printer instead of the default printer in the API. This is still true.

 

2016 when the new drawing view insert dialog came along, if a drawing view scale is changed it's possible a projected view will covered by the main view and the projected view cannot be moved while the view is being created. Reported and received bug 115291 as a number. Still broken in 2018.3

 

Reported with multiple versions. FileDialog.InitialDirectory is ignored if assembly is open. bug id 84729 and case id 13878504

 

2018 Measure tool includes units when copying value (win10 only). case id 13878504

 

API BOM sort method does not respect more than one sort priority. Johnson Shiue agrees this is a defect.

Call oBOMView.Sort("Part Number", True, "REQ Type", False)

 

Those are a few defects I've received official or unofficial responses from Autodesk employees that the issue is indeed a bug.

 

 

 

 


 



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Message 36 of 51

TheCADWhisperer
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@RJR89 wrote:

Yeah of course, I think people would expect that the UI be spruced up occasionally at least.

I'm just starting to think it's coming at the expense of truly beneficial upgrades.


If it makes you feel any better - on the SolidWorks and Creo (Pro/E) forums the users were voicing the exact same sentiments back in the day when those apps went to the Ribbon interface.  Near as I can tell this was foisted on everybody by MS running their apps on Windows OS.  This is just an observation from across the table participation in all three forums.  I do not have any insider information from any of these companies regarding the switch to the Ribbon interface.

 

BTW - I love the right click marking menu in Inventor and SolidWorks.

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johnsonshiue
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@RJR89

 

You can poke fun at my comments however you like. Respect is mutual. I don't claim to represent the company. I only represent myself.

"Fed up with" can be followed by many things. You can fill in the blank. All I am doing is to make sure communication is clear and transparent. I cannot make things happen magically. I am sorry I cannot deliver the way you want it.

Many thanks!

 



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Message 38 of 51

doug.johnston
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I have debated on whether to participate in this thread ... and decided to add some comments.

 

I've been using INV for 7+ years now and I am "capable" of using it for my job.

 

Are there things I would love Autodesk to fix ... YES

Are there things I would love Autodesk to improve ... YES

Is it impacting how I use it on a daily basis ... NO

Have I developed "work arounds" to improve my efficiency .... YES .... through changing my workflow / ilogic programs / user forms / etc.

 

I do understand that Autodesk / Inventor team cannot solve all the issues they are presented with and I do understand that it will never be "perfect for everyone" ... I do appreciate some of the enhancements they have given us (the end-user) over the years and hope they continue to develop the program.  Ranting about Autodesk does not help them, it comes across as a kid throwing a temper-tantrum (IMHO).

 

I am currently in the process of leading the development of CAD / INV standards at my job and my first comment to everyone was "We are a team and you're either part of the solution or part of the problem".  Those that want to be part of the solution are listened too more over the ones that complain.  Those that don't want to be part of the solution will have to follow what everyone else develops ... and any future complaints from them will fall on deaf ears.

 

(Not directed at specific person in this thread) .... If you want to be part of the solution ... continue to post here in these forums constructively ... and join the BETA Program to give your input.  

 

p.s. - I really miss using the CAD tablet and 4-button mouse in AutoCAD ver.9 ... NOT .... *sigh* 


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It's not easy maintaining this level of insanity !!!!!
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Message 39 of 51

Anonymous
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That's what we talk about:

 


@RJR89  escreveu:

Anyone else completely fed up with Autodesk?

 

Each years release just seems to bring more unproductive gimmicks. The forums are ABSOLUTELY FULL of problems, some as far back as 2008 which Autodesk just seem to ignore rather than resolve.


@RJR89,

I'm starting, what do you think I feel?

Considering the problems I have here, I'm already feeling like you.

 

 @johnsonshiue


@johnsonshiue  escreveu: 

... Could you give me an example of a dated issue not yet resolved? I am more than happy to take a look and follow up with project teams and get back to you.

If you are looking for issues with no solution, you found, here is one:

 

https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/inventor-forum/changing-the-dry-friction-parameter-is-not-accepted/td...

 

We have been anxious for good news since Monday !

 

 

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Anonymous
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Funnily enough that Design View Rep drag & drop sort was one of the few features that wasn't shouted about at all (from what I saw, anyway) but that really helped my workflow - I just tried it one day after being frustrated that it never used to work..and it suddenly worked! 

 

I'm still seething about the new IPN environment though. I get that with major overhauls like that there are bound to be bugs and little things here and there that need ironing out to make the user experience better, but for me that was a real 'rug from under the feet' moment when we found it had all changed and subsequently wrecked our workflows. I'm beginning to realise (much to the relief of various Autodesk guys here, I'm sure) that I'm going to have to shut up about it and accept it.

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