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Decals - Adobe Illustrator

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chachaman
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Decals - Adobe Illustrator

chachaman
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I sometimes have to create Decals (stickers) that go on components. I draw them either as a sketch in .ipt , sometimes I emboss . Then I create a print in .idw Everything works fine for me.

Problem is the Graphic arts guys...the people who print the stuff , cannot work with my file types...even if I offer them .dwg or .dxf.

What file format works well for the graphic art people using ILLUSTRATOR. Does anyone have any insight ?

Is there a utiliy to convert file types? They say they wnt vectors....what do they mean ?

Thx !

_Cha Edited by: chachaman on Jul 6, 2009 2:18 AM
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Decals - Adobe Illustrator

I sometimes have to create Decals (stickers) that go on components. I draw them either as a sketch in .ipt , sometimes I emboss . Then I create a print in .idw Everything works fine for me.

Problem is the Graphic arts guys...the people who print the stuff , cannot work with my file types...even if I offer them .dwg or .dxf.

What file format works well for the graphic art people using ILLUSTRATOR. Does anyone have any insight ?

Is there a utiliy to convert file types? They say they wnt vectors....what do they mean ?

Thx !

_Cha Edited by: chachaman on Jul 6, 2009 2:18 AM
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Anonymous
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Anonymous
Not applicable
Try BMP, not sure exactly what they want, but Illustrator can open DWG and
DXF.

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wrote in message news:6213200@discussion.autodesk.com...
I sometimes have to create Decals (stickers) that go on components. I draw
them either as a sketch in .ipt , sometimes I emboss . Then I create a print
in .idw Everything works fine for me.

Problem is the Graphic arts guys...the people who print the stuff , cannot
work with my file types...even if I offer them .dwg or .dxf.

What file format works well for the graphic art people using ILLUSTRATOR.
Does anyone have any insight ?

Is there a utiliy to convert file types? They say they wnt vectors....what
do they mean ?

Thx !

_Cha

Edited by: chachaman on Jul 6, 2009 2:18 AM
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Try BMP, not sure exactly what they want, but Illustrator can open DWG and
DXF.

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InventorSuite 2010
Dell Precision 690
Dual Quad Core E5320 @ 1.86GHz
4Gb DDR SDRam - 667 Mhz, ECC
SAS 146Gb - 15k rpm
Quadro FX3500 256Mb - Driver: 182.46 Bios: 5.71.22.55.08
Direct 3D
XP Pro Sp3 3Gb/2800
Space Explorer USB, release: 3.7.12 driver 6.7.11 firmware 3.17
AVG 8.5
wrote in message news:6213200@discussion.autodesk.com...
I sometimes have to create Decals (stickers) that go on components. I draw
them either as a sketch in .ipt , sometimes I emboss . Then I create a print
in .idw Everything works fine for me.

Problem is the Graphic arts guys...the people who print the stuff , cannot
work with my file types...even if I offer them .dwg or .dxf.

What file format works well for the graphic art people using ILLUSTRATOR.
Does anyone have any insight ?

Is there a utiliy to convert file types? They say they wnt vectors....what
do they mean ?

Thx !

_Cha

Edited by: chachaman on Jul 6, 2009 2:18 AM
Message 3 of 16
Anonymous
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Anonymous
Not applicable
If they want a vector format they want something like wmf or eps - but
Inventor can not export as these.
bmp, pcx, gif, jpg & png are not vector - so will look bad/pixelated when
scaled.

1 solution:
save as dxf or dwg - open with AutoCAD and remove the undesired section -
use the AutoCAD command "wmfout" to create a vector wmf file.



Surprised if Illustrator can't import dwg and dxf files - you just might
have to save them as an earlier version, e.g. 2004 or 2000 (and possibly
edit in AutoCAD to strip out the unwanted detail & flatten onto 1 layer).
have just googled "Illustrator dwg import" and looks like they released a
patch to help: http://kb2.adobe.com/cps/402/kb402977.html


Hope that helps, Sam


wrote in message news:6213200@discussion.autodesk.com...
I sometimes have to create Decals (stickers) that go on components. I draw
them either as a sketch in .ipt , sometimes I emboss . Then I create a print
in .idw Everything works fine for me.

Problem is the Graphic arts guys...the people who print the stuff , cannot
work with my file types...even if I offer them .dwg or .dxf.

What file format works well for the graphic art people using ILLUSTRATOR.
Does anyone have any insight ?

Is there a utiliy to convert file types? They say they wnt vectors....what
do they mean ?

Thx !

_Cha

Edited by: chachaman on Jul 6, 2009 2:18 AM
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If they want a vector format they want something like wmf or eps - but
Inventor can not export as these.
bmp, pcx, gif, jpg & png are not vector - so will look bad/pixelated when
scaled.

1 solution:
save as dxf or dwg - open with AutoCAD and remove the undesired section -
use the AutoCAD command "wmfout" to create a vector wmf file.



Surprised if Illustrator can't import dwg and dxf files - you just might
have to save them as an earlier version, e.g. 2004 or 2000 (and possibly
edit in AutoCAD to strip out the unwanted detail & flatten onto 1 layer).
have just googled "Illustrator dwg import" and looks like they released a
patch to help: http://kb2.adobe.com/cps/402/kb402977.html


Hope that helps, Sam


wrote in message news:6213200@discussion.autodesk.com...
I sometimes have to create Decals (stickers) that go on components. I draw
them either as a sketch in .ipt , sometimes I emboss . Then I create a print
in .idw Everything works fine for me.

Problem is the Graphic arts guys...the people who print the stuff , cannot
work with my file types...even if I offer them .dwg or .dxf.

What file format works well for the graphic art people using ILLUSTRATOR.
Does anyone have any insight ?

Is there a utiliy to convert file types? They say they wnt vectors....what
do they mean ?

Thx !

_Cha

Edited by: chachaman on Jul 6, 2009 2:18 AM
Message 4 of 16
chachaman
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chachaman
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Thx for that Sam....

I have no experience working in AutoCad believe it or not. I do have the program, however. I will open ACAD and try to find that command. Could you tell me where to start looking ?

I would be nice if there was a utility that converts dxf to wmf or eps. I will search the web.

Thx again

_Cha
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Thx for that Sam....

I have no experience working in AutoCad believe it or not. I do have the program, however. I will open ACAD and try to find that command. Could you tell me where to start looking ?

I would be nice if there was a utility that converts dxf to wmf or eps. I will search the web.

Thx again

_Cha
Message 5 of 16
mcgyvr
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Lots of dxf to wmf convertors out there.. google..
In Autocad simply open the dxf file and type "wmfout" in the command line and hit enter.


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Lots of dxf to wmf convertors out there.. google..
In Autocad simply open the dxf file and type "wmfout" in the command line and hit enter.


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Message 6 of 16
Anonymous
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Anonymous
Not applicable
PNG is a high resolution lossless file format

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PNG is a high resolution lossless file format

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Instructor/Author/Sr. App Engr. Tel. (260) 399-6615
AIP 2008 SP3, AIP 2009-SP2, IV2010 ProPcCillin AV
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Message 7 of 16
Anonymous
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Anonymous
Not applicable
yes, but it's not a vector format, which he has been requested to provide.

If it is a full-colour image then sure, PNG is the best option.


"Dennis Jeffrey" wrote in message
news:6213410@discussion.autodesk.com...
PNG is a high resolution lossless file format

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yes, but it's not a vector format, which he has been requested to provide.

If it is a full-colour image then sure, PNG is the best option.


"Dennis Jeffrey" wrote in message
news:6213410@discussion.autodesk.com...
PNG is a high resolution lossless file format

--
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Instructor/Author/Sr. App Engr. Tel. (260) 399-6615
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Message 8 of 16
RobJV
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I have a fair bit of experience using both illustrator and AutoCad (and Inventor) back and forth. In theory they should both import/export dxf files. The problem is the scale is usually lost between the two. I have found the best solution to be a vector pdf file.

Rob
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I have a fair bit of experience using both illustrator and AutoCad (and Inventor) back and forth. In theory they should both import/export dxf files. The problem is the scale is usually lost between the two. I have found the best solution to be a vector pdf file.

Rob
Message 9 of 16
chachaman
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chachaman
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Hello Rob,

I can create PDFs. I have a utility called CutePDF (not Adobe Acrobat). It creates PDFs but I doubt they are vector PDFs. The question is then, How do you go about creating a vector PDF ? What software is required ? How do you know it's a vector PDF ?

Thx

_Cha
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Hello Rob,

I can create PDFs. I have a utility called CutePDF (not Adobe Acrobat). It creates PDFs but I doubt they are vector PDFs. The question is then, How do you go about creating a vector PDF ? What software is required ? How do you know it's a vector PDF ?

Thx

_Cha
Message 10 of 16
RobJV
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CutePDF is fine. If the subject is vector, typically the pdf is vector. Simply create your pdf and then zoom in on it. You should be able to zoom in quite far and not notice any pixellation. The best way to tell if everything will work for you is send the pdf to one of your coworkers with Illustrator. He should be able to tell you if everything worked fine. If it is not proprietary, I don't mind taking a quick look with Illustrator to help you out.

Rob

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CutePDF is fine. If the subject is vector, typically the pdf is vector. Simply create your pdf and then zoom in on it. You should be able to zoom in quite far and not notice any pixellation. The best way to tell if everything will work for you is send the pdf to one of your coworkers with Illustrator. He should be able to tell you if everything worked fine. If it is not proprietary, I don't mind taking a quick look with Illustrator to help you out.

Rob

Message 11 of 16
chachaman
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chachaman
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Hello Rob,

Can you expand on '....if the subject is vector...'. The source I create the PDF with is an IDW.

I attached a sample of a PDF I created and sent to a printer.

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Hello Rob,

Can you expand on '....if the subject is vector...'. The source I create the PDF with is an IDW.

I attached a sample of a PDF I created and sent to a printer.

Message 12 of 16
Anonymous
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Anonymous
Not applicable
He means if the source (idw) is vector (yes, it is, though you might have some
rasterized elements depending on any bitmaps in the idw), then the pdf will be
vector based. Your pdf should mainly be vectors in your case. Does your idw
have any bitmaps in the title blocks? Those would not be vector.

Bob

chachaman wrote:
> Hello Rob,
>
> Can you expand on '....if the subject is vector...'. The source I create the PDF with is an IDW.
>
> I attached a sample of a PDF I created and sent to a printer.
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He means if the source (idw) is vector (yes, it is, though you might have some
rasterized elements depending on any bitmaps in the idw), then the pdf will be
vector based. Your pdf should mainly be vectors in your case. Does your idw
have any bitmaps in the title blocks? Those would not be vector.

Bob

chachaman wrote:
> Hello Rob,
>
> Can you expand on '....if the subject is vector...'. The source I create the PDF with is an IDW.
>
> I attached a sample of a PDF I created and sent to a printer.
Message 13 of 16
RobJV
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RobJV
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Bob S is completely right. As for your attached pdf, it comes in perfectly fine in Illustrator. (I don't have the fonts you used so I cannot see the text though.) It is also properly scaled in Illustrator as well.

I would recommend you use this method to interact with your graphics people, ensuring they have the same fonts you are using.
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Bob S is completely right. As for your attached pdf, it comes in perfectly fine in Illustrator. (I don't have the fonts you used so I cannot see the text though.) It is also properly scaled in Illustrator as well.

I would recommend you use this method to interact with your graphics people, ensuring they have the same fonts you are using.
Message 14 of 16
chachaman
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chachaman
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I use True Type Fonts in Inventor....do I need to send those along with the file ? I think, however, the people using Adobe products use Open type fonts ?

I was hoping to be able to send one self contained file...In that respect is WMF or EPS a better format ?

Thx

_Cha
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I use True Type Fonts in Inventor....do I need to send those along with the file ? I think, however, the people using Adobe products use Open type fonts ?

I was hoping to be able to send one self contained file...In that respect is WMF or EPS a better format ?

Thx

_Cha
Message 15 of 16
Anonymous
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Anonymous
Not applicable
Proper font translation thru pdf to illustrator may be an issue.
If you need the correct fonts you need to make sure that cutepdf
can "embed" the required fonts directly into the pdf file.

Bob S.

chachaman wrote:
> I use True Type Fonts in Inventor....do I need to send those along with the file ? I think, however, the people using Adobe products use Open type fonts ?
>
> I was hoping to be able to send one self contained file...In that respect is WMF or EPS a better format ?
>
> Thx
>
> _Cha
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Proper font translation thru pdf to illustrator may be an issue.
If you need the correct fonts you need to make sure that cutepdf
can "embed" the required fonts directly into the pdf file.

Bob S.

chachaman wrote:
> I use True Type Fonts in Inventor....do I need to send those along with the file ? I think, however, the people using Adobe products use Open type fonts ?
>
> I was hoping to be able to send one self contained file...In that respect is WMF or EPS a better format ?
>
> Thx
>
> _Cha
Message 16 of 16
chachaman
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chachaman
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Hello Rob,

If you are still willing to look at it, Is the following .PDF in vector format.

Did the fonts come out OK ?

Thx

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Hello Rob,

If you are still willing to look at it, Is the following .PDF in vector format.

Did the fonts come out OK ?

Thx

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