Custom title block position not working

[fredform]

Hi!

I'm trying to change the position of my title block but cannot get it to work or figure out what I'm doing wrong...

I've tried with the default .idw template to create a new border, with a point constrained by dimensions and marked it as "Connection Point Grip" (also tried to mark the point as "Insertion Point Grip").

I put a point in the title block and marked that in the same way but no matter what I do the title block always ends up in the bottom right corner.

I have deleted the border and title block from the sheet and reinserted them but it made no difference.

I am using Inventor 2021 Professional, Build 183, Release 2021.0.1

Attached is the .idw file that I've used for testing.

[CGBenner]

@fredform 

Hi, look in your Application Options on the Drawing tab... where is this set? (see below)

[fredform]

Hi Chris,

it is set just as in your picture, if I change it, the title block moves to the corner according to that setting but it still doesn't position to the insertion point/custom position.

[CGBenner]

@fredform 

Can you post a screen shot of where you are trying to position the title block?

[johnsonshiue]

Hi Fredrik,

Chris is right. The App Option will dictate where the titleblock lands. However, it is only effective if there is no pre-existing titleblock. If there is one already, it will stick to the same corner. Delete all the existing titleblock on the sheets. Change the App Option to the desirable corner. Then place the titleblock. It should work.

Many thanks!

[fredform]

It is the file I attached in my original post.

The setting in Application Options work as it should I guess, i.e. it places the title block in the corner that's selected.

I am trying to get the Title Block to be inserted as per the point defined in the border called "Test border". So I guess I need to override the setting in Application Options somehow? 

[SBix26]

I successfully did something like this with our custom title block at my last job.  Unfortunately, that was more than fifteen years ago, and I no longer have access to those templates to jog my memory.

Where is the desired connection point on your title block?  I can't tell by randomly poking around on it.  If you can give me that info, I will try to reproduce my success from long ago.

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[johnsonshiue]

Hi! I could be wrong but I don't recall there is a workflow allowing you to insert the title block at a designated point. Title block is always at one of the corners. I guess you may want to create a sketch symbol (like a title block) and place it at the point. Then it acts as if it is a title block object.

Many thanks!

[freesbee · Accepted solution]

...actually according to ISO5457 the title block shall be on the lower right corner of the drawing.

If you do anything different than that... no wonder if you are a little bit on your own...

Anyway there is a very simple trick to make your title block land in a "custom" position: just draw an invisible line from the corner of the title block. The end of this invisible line will land in the corner of the border you specify in the options that Christopher has suggested you, and the final effect will be that you title block will float somewhere in the drawing according to the measures of the invisible line you have drawn. So you can also control the position of the title block very easily.

All my title blocks are not landing in the lower right corner of the drawing border: they land "coincidentally" exactly in the position that makes an ISO5457 conform border look nice with an ISO7200 conform title block. And they are more than half a million, so the technique works 😉

Hope it helps... (you  know, my Autodesk mentor told me that I need "solutions")

[freesbee]

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@johnsonshiue wrote:

Hi! I could be wrong but I don't recall there is a workflow allowing you to insert the title block at a designated point. Title block is always at one of the corners.

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...don't want to contradict you my friend, but there is a very simple trick to achieve it 😉

[johnsonshiue]

Hi Massimo.

Many thanks for sharing the tips! I was not aware of the workflow. I always assume that the title block adheres to one of the corners. Please feel free to contradict or dispute any statement I make. Truth can only emerge from the debate.

Thanks again!

[freesbee]

...sorry, I have to correct myself: 2 lines are needed, and they cannot be switched to invisible. Just make them on a very thin layer (or make a layer that does not get printed) and then you can control the position of the titleblock quite freely.

Here is the effect:

 ...and here is the trick (the two thin gray lines pointed by the red arrows in the title block definition):

and this one is officially a TitleBlock 😉

 

[CGBenner · Accepted solution]

@fredform 

I was just going to suggest the same thing as @johnsonshiue , I created a symbol with insertion point grips, and placed it exactly where i wanted it.  It's not officially a title block... but it is an option.

[fredform]

I think what confused me is that the tooltip for Connection Point Grip mentions it can be used for title blocks, which I guess it can't if title block always obey the Application options?

Anyways, thanks for the advice on using a sketch symbol instead!

Best,

Fredrik

[freesbee]

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@fredform wrote:

I think what confused me is that the tooltip for Connection Point Grip mentions it can be used for title blocks, which I guess it can't if title block always obey the Application options?

Fredrik

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...if I remember it right, connection points grips in the TitleBlock are points where you can snap other symbols, but have not much to do with where your title block actually connects to the drawing border

[fredform · Accepted solution]

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@freesbee wrote:

...sorry, I have to correct myself: 2 lines are needed, and they cannot be switched to invisible. Just make them on a very thin layer (or make a layer that does not get printed) and then you can control the position of the titleblock quite freely.

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This worked well for me, it also worked to turn the two lines into "Sketch only" so they don't appear in the drawing. No need to fiddle around with layers 🙂

Thanks alot!

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[freesbee]

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This worked well for me, it also worked to turn the two lines into "Sketch only" so they don't appear in the drawing. No need to fiddle around with layers 🙂

...well, it did not work well for me: as I normally do this with one single line acting as the diagonal of the space that I want between title block and border: as soon as I change the line to invisible, it gets completely ignored, that is why I came to the other solution. But if it works, then it's fine!!