Converting Inventor Surface Models to Solid

Mohammad.choudhary
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Converting Inventor Surface Models to Solid

Mohammad.choudhary
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Hi, 

I appreciate this topic has been discussed numerous times however I have spent hours researching watching videos of how to repair a surface model into a solid model. Is there a simple method of converting surface to solid? Can you convert to solid from importing window?  I am importing a SAT file into inventor and converting to an .IPT.  I have attached a typical file I need converting to a solid. Any help would be appreciated. 

 

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JDMather
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Do you have an image or link to what this is supposed to represent in the real world?

What is the source of the original geometry?

Can you Attach the native file from the source?


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Mohammad.choudhary
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Hi,

Below is the link to what this is supposed to represent in the real world:

https://www.spirotech.co.uk/products/spirotop/spirotop--brass--hight-158/

 

I have attached the native file. I am exporting the native file to .SAT and importing into Inventor.

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JonathanKruger
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Could you share the SAT file you are importing?

 

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Mohammad.choudhary
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Hi,

I am unable to attach the .SAT file but I have attached the Revit file .RFA

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JonathanKruger
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Can you zip the SAT file and then it should allow you to attach  the zip file?

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Mohammad.choudhary
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I have zipped the .SAT and .RFA files for you.

-niels-
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Mohammad.choudhary
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Yes

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-niels-
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If you haven't already, i'd suggest creating an account there then and download it from that site instead.
They offer many filetypes including Inventor, so you can skip the entire conversion of the .RFA file.
It's a great site with loads of different supplier content.

Niels van der Veer
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cadman777
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In the past, in cases where a vendor did not supply 2d or 3d files for their parts on their web site, and when I could not find them on an alternative we site like @-niels- has shown, I took the time to make it from scratch in Inventor. If I was going to use it in different sizes, I made sure I thought through how to make it so I can make an iPart or easily update it to the correct sizes when changed. This process takes time, especially with gear reducers. But today, almost anything is available online if you look hard enough. I have read in the past that going from Revit to Inventor and vice versa can be a problem.

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TheCADWhisperer
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Is there a reason that you cannot use as a Surface Body rather than as Solid Body?

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cadman777
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I just opened the SAT file.

The stupid translator created 3 separate part files for this single part.

It should have created only 2 parts:

  1. the main body
  2. the threaded insert at the bottom.

So you have to do some work to fix this if you want to use it.

First thing you need to do is separate the 2 true parts.

Then join all the rest of the solids & surfaces of the main part into one part.

The way I did that is open one of the parts and derive the other parts into it.

Then delete all the unwanted features and export it as a STEP file.

Then reopen the STEP file and save it as a part file (ipt) and do your edits to make it a solid.

 

Here's how I did that:

Find where all the separate features join and figure out which surfaces are unnecessary.

Delete them and take another look at the surfaces where they joined.

Also look at which faces are defective.

Delete all the features you don't need, whether defective or good.

Where the top nut joins the body needs work.

The end faces of the top nut also need work

You will also see defective faces on some of the chamfers that need work.

You have to delete all those bad faces and remake them.

After doing all of that, then Stitch everything together and you should have a complete solid.

Same with the other (small) part.

 

This process took me about an hour to do.

See attached model to visualize my work-flow.

 

The lesson in this is to see if you can find the part online for free.
That could save a lot of time.

But sometimes it's just easier to make it from scratch as a native Inventor part, or do what I did to this vendor part.

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cadman777
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Inventor 2010 did this to the SAT file.

Is this how yours came in?

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SBix26
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Unless the solid body is needed for additional editing or for material properties (volume, mass, etc.), I agree with @TheCADWhisperer , there is no benefit to spending the time to make it solid.

 

Inventor 2023 offered the option of opening the .SAT file as a multi-body part file or an assembly.  I opted for the part file, then turned off translucent surface appearance and gave the surface body the same appearance as the solids.  Now it looks like it's ready to drop into your assembly.

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Mohammad.choudhary
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Thank you, this would work in this instance as the part is available - but i would like to learn how to fix this issue.

Mohammad.choudhary
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Inventor brings mine in like this

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Mohammad.choudhary
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This looks good !!

Would there be a video of how you did this. I would like to learn how to fix this issue in the future. I agree with the others, the easiest option is to find the part from a library but in the instance its not available I would like to at least know how to solve the problem. I struggle with repairing the geometry for example identifying the bad faces and features.

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JonathanKruger
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Toggle the surface to not be Translucent

 

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Mohammad.choudhary
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when I do this it doesn't look right. 

 

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We use Trendkite to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by Trendkite. Ads are based on both Trendkite data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that Trendkite has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to Trendkite to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. Trendkite Privacy Policy
Hotjar
We use Hotjar to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by Hotjar. Ads are based on both Hotjar data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that Hotjar has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to Hotjar to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. Hotjar Privacy Policy
6 Sense
We use 6 Sense to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by 6 Sense. Ads are based on both 6 Sense data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that 6 Sense has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to 6 Sense to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. 6 Sense Privacy Policy
Terminus
We use Terminus to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by Terminus. Ads are based on both Terminus data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that Terminus has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to Terminus to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. Terminus Privacy Policy
StackAdapt
We use StackAdapt to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by StackAdapt. Ads are based on both StackAdapt data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that StackAdapt has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to StackAdapt to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. StackAdapt Privacy Policy
The Trade Desk
We use The Trade Desk to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by The Trade Desk. Ads are based on both The Trade Desk data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that The Trade Desk has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to The Trade Desk to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. The Trade Desk Privacy Policy
RollWorks
We use RollWorks to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by RollWorks. Ads are based on both RollWorks data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that RollWorks has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to RollWorks to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. RollWorks Privacy Policy

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