Cable & Harness Make Adaptive

[jesscadd]

Can someone please explain why putting a cable into an assembly that has Model States, when trying to make the cable adaptive, I am unable to change the "location for files". I DO NOT want the cables residing under the master assembly file location in an AIP directory. That makes a complete disaster of trying to locate cable assemblies for use in other projects. This has only surfaced in Inventor 2023. Prior to that I was able to choose where I wanted the cable assembly to be located. We use a master cable directory for all cables, making it easier to locate them for future use. 

Prior to cleaning up our cable assemblies, the system was being done the way 2023 is trying to force me. Why break something that was working? Let me  choose where I want to locate my files. Not lock me into what Autodesk wants.

[johnsonshiue]

Hi! I am sorry I am not sure I understand the issue. Before moving to 2023, what was the release you were using? For Cable&Harness assemblies, if you use LOD to suppress components in the past, I personally think you may be better off not using Model States. Instead, copy the LODs or Model States to Design Views. Then you can keep using your old workflows without bothering with Model States. An adaptive component will remain adaptive in all Design Views.

Many thanks!

[jesscadd]

Was using 2022 previously. No problem. 

Never used LODs, tried them in the past and felt they were too cumbersome for any work environment. LODS don't exist in 2023 so that is a moot point as well. 

Copying a model state to the Representation is moot. I am in the Primary state for both the model state and representation. The option to choose where I want to save the adaptive cable doesn't exist. I don't want Autodesk forcing me to locate the cable where it doesn't belong. I placed an existing cable in a new assembly, made it adaptive and located the the new file where ever I wanted in version 2022. 2023 doesn't allow that. 

[johnsonshiue]

Hi Kirk,

I am sorry I don't think I am familiar with the exact workflow you are talking about. Do you mind sharing a video or an example exhibits the C&H Adaptive workflow?

Many thanks!

[jesscadd]

Here is an image showing the issue. When making a cable adaptive, I am unable to to change the location of the files. We have located all our cable files in one location. Having an adaptive cable dumped under an AIP directory is not desired and now goes against what the past versions allowed.

[Yijiang.Cai]

@jesscadd it is not supported for model states document. You can review the details in https://help.autodesk.com/view/INVNTOR/2023/ENU/?guid=GUID-9F2FF44E-CBB3-412C-8106-AB85ABE2D2D8

If it is not a model state document, we can pick the custom folder to locate the harness files when make adaptive.

Thanks!

[jesscadd]

So by adding the functionality of model states, Autodesk has removed a very basic function of allowing a user to specify where they want the cable file to be located. Autodesk has wasted the make adaptive function of cable harnesses and force the user to create them from scratch each time to allow for the locating of the files where the user wants. This functionality existed in all previous versions. This only became an issues in Inventor 2023.

[Yijiang.Cai]

@jesscadd we have the similar behavior when the harness component is located in iAssembly document. When activate the different iAssembly member, we need to make adaptive for the harness component. You will find that it is not supported to pick the custom location for harness files. If it is normal assembly, user can pick the custom location for harness files here. Does it make sense for you? Thanks!

[jesscadd]

I understand what you are saying. What I am saying is this worked in the 2022 version. in the 2023 version, the functionality was changed. Why?

[Yijiang.Cai]

@jesscadd totally understand it here, and tracked as [INVGEN-62980] for further investigation. We will keep you updated here. Thank you very much!

[Yijiang.Cai · Accepted solution]

@jesscadd we got the feedback from project team, and it is an intended change on 2023 for Cable harness. You can also get the same behavior with Tube & Pipe. We prefer to get the same behavior with iAssembly here. Thanks!

[jesscadd]

Sorry for long time to respond.

So project team are breaking the way the system has worked for years to match a different approach? is that correct? I don't need it to match tube & pipe. I need it to work the same way it has since 2010. Now I have to remember to relocate the created cable files into their correct directory after Autodesk makes an unnecessary change that breaks a proven process. Great. I DO NOT need cables files all over the server. I need them in the same directory. This makes finding them for reuse easier for the cad operator. We condensed them into the same directory for this very reason. I had users placing cables all over because that was how Autodesk defaulted in the past, but with training, we were able to get the users to pick the correct location. Now Autodesk has removed the ability to locate the files where THE USER wants them, not Autodesk.

[jesscadd]

Anything else from Autodesk on this? So users are screwed over to re-use existing cable harnesses or remember to relocate the files after saving the assembly they are created in.

[jesscadd]

After working with the harness some more, the trigger is having model states in the assembly. If you have only the Primary model state, then it works. Once another model state is created the functionality grays out.

[johnsonshiue]

Hi Jess,

My original reply indicated it was Model States related. All special components workflows (and adaptive) don't fully support Model States or vice versa. They are kind of mutually exclusive at the moment.

Many thanks!