Autodesk stop fixing things

[jletcher]

 Big issues with your site today................

22 timeouts, could not reply..

I liked it when things worked..

[Frederick_Law]

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@jletcher wrote:

"How about right click radial menu and gesture?"

 Don't use it, depends on where you are on the screen then menu changes so you are always second guessing mouse location.

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Gesture/Radial menu don't change.  They stay the same anywhere you click.

You can right click, bring up the menu or hold down right button move toward the command and release.

With the gesture, I don't need to look.

Now the stock layout is not consistent.

I set it up myself so same command in different context stay at same spot.

It does took some time to get it right.

One thing is you need to know which command you use most in different context.

I don't think counting clicks alone is a good stat for speed.

As you said if the clicks stay at same spot, you can click faster.

If click is spread all over the screen, it'll take longer.

The reason is most people need to look and re-focus before they can click.

It is slow.

The radial menu put command around the mouse pointer where most users are looking at.

[SBix26]

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@jletcher wrote:

If I need to change from shaded view to hidden lines you have to click 4 times, change the tab on the ribbon to view >click drop down> click option and click on tab putting you back, where I just click... Then when you want to go back you have to repeat the steps.

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Two clicks

I count two clicks...

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Sam B
Inventor Pro 2020.1 | Windows 7 SP1
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[jletcher]

@Frederick_Law 

"Gesture/Radial menu don't change. They stay the same anywhere you click."

Strange seems it does what it wants on my end... This is what I mean it changes all depend where cursor is at the time of click.

"The reason is most people need to look and re-focus before they can click."

 With classic never had to re-focus becasue everything stayed in the same spot.

[Frederick_Law]

You point to the "Right Click menu".

Radial/gesture is the one above or below it, with command around where you right click.

You can turn off the "Right Click menu" and use radial only.

People like me with memory as short as my ......

hair,

Need to look at the icon before click.

[jletcher]

@SBix26 

Was talking if you use the ribbon, all commands can't be added to that bar..

[Frederick_Law]

[jletcher]

@Frederick_Law 

Why you showing me this?

[Frederick_Law]

I said Radial menu but it should be Marking menu.

This is the customize options page.

I think The overflow menu setting will remove the menu that "move".

Not that you need to use it.

Took me a long time to get used to it.

[jletcher]

@Frederick_Law 

 I knew what you meant no worries..

Yeah I don't use it, worthless if you ask me I rather have Classic UI back.

[Anonymous]

Not looking to rattle anyone's cage here but I gotta wonder if those who complain about Inventor's ribbon menu also reach out to MicroSoft and complain in the same manner?

I mean, chances are you are all using MS Office as well and Adesk simply mimicked the same ribbon menu style.

Are you still demanding MS go back to Win NT?

At least Adesk warned everyone for a solid 3 releases that the Ribbon menu was going to be the way of things and to get on board before the old menu wasn't accessible anymore. 3 yrs notice. I don't recall MS giving anyone that type of "heads up". We all had 3 yrs to learn and get used to the ribbon menus and now they are 100% customizable to boot.

A lot of other CAD apps adopted the ribbon menu now as well. I guess we should all just go back to the actual drafting board and shun technological advancements from now on.

Is Inventor perfect? Of course not, show me a CAD application that is. I know it's been stated to go back to 2010, but 2010 wasn't a perfect release either. It too had its issues. Why are those issues more acceptable? They're not, they are simply different issues. I just see some people who think they can do a better job than the developers of the current code. Well, if that's the case, I have to ask you, when YOUR version of CAD getting released, I'd love to see it. Think you can do better? Then send your resume to Adesk and get hired on to fix the code so it's perfect....again, I'd love to see it.

OK, that's my rant for the day. Let's move on.

Lead, follow or get the (*&% out of my way!!!

[thenottakenname]

Just my two cents, but it seems the people with the biggest issues with Inventor/AutoCAD are the ones who have been using it a long time, and got used to doing it their way. Our company just upgraded to 2020, clean installs and no preferences brought over. One coworker was adamant they would quit if they had to use the ribbon in AutoCAD, and wanted their toolbar back to the way it was before. I just finished a two-year program to learn ACAD/Inv, and I think my coworker is absolutely mad. I'm used to the ribbon, it's the way I learned, and I think the old GUI is not at all intuitive and requires more digging and memorization to achieve the same results. I'm sure at some point later in my life the GUI will change again, and maybe I'll get cranky, but I'll roll with the punches and learn the new methods instead of demanding that nothing change.

[Anonymous]

Personally I've been using Inventor since R2 and yes, what you say, I've seen. It's people that typically refuse to have to learn something new. It's a comfort thing. People get good at something and they are the king of that thing, but once it changes, they lose that standing in their eyes and well, it's a threat of sorts.

I'm staring at retirement, but I know full well that I must adapt to the changes or some kid will come along and replace me. It's called staying current. The moment I find out something new is coming, I dive into it and learn it, I have to.

Problem is of recent is since I've moved into a management role, I'm not able to actually work in the applications day in, day out. I tend to do more troubleshooting, support and training users. If I didn't do stuff on my own at home, I'd be way behind the 8 ball.

Anyways, I do hear what you're saying, I see it almost every day.

[jletcher]

@Anonymous 

People that use MS Office 8 hours a day hate it, I have not heard good things about it from the day they rolled out. Even to this day I get to hear about their ribbon as well.

 Had a client just update to the new office and they all hate it as well.

Now seeing I do not use MS Office 8 hours a day I don't worry about production loss.

Autodesk also said they will keep the Classic option in but yet pulled it. I would not have issues with the ribbon if it was easy to remove and set up Inventor so it is productive, the ribbon is not productive..

 As for coding it has nothing to do with what people think might be better, a coder does not know my job or how people like to work.

People hire consultants all the time to make things better, time for Autodesk to do the same unless they like being followers..

[mcgyvr]

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@jletcher wrote:

People hire consultants all the time to make things better, time for Autodesk to do the same unless they like being followers..

They seem to be quite happy with what they are already doing.. 

http://investors.autodesk.com/news-releases/news-release-details/autodesk-inc-announces-fiscal-2020-...

Yes.. being able to customize the ribbon more than whats currently available would be very nice for some/many..

I wanted to do so the other day and found the ability to customize it is rudimentary at best.. Quite sad

[jletcher]

@mcgyvr 

 Sure they like those numbers it proves being a bully does pay...

 "If you don't have subscription you can no longer use the software you paid $10,000 for."

Only way they can get their numbers up is to threaten you... People were dropping subscriptions to tell Autodesk they are no longer supporting the half baked software they have so they pulled that on you in stead of listening to users..

[mdavis22569]

Then don't use it ...

Everything you post is negative about Autodesk. It's never about now how they sale it. 

You complain about the UI / Features / etc ...

We all know there are issues. We just don't come on here DAILY and complain. You actually get some of the best guys to go hand holding with you about things. They admit that not everything is perfect.  But you're back the next day beating the dead horse that died 10 years ago.   

We get it. You don't like changes. You don't agree with changes. You don't even like how MS Office changed and people you know don't like it.

I also get you have the right to come on a PUBLIC forum and complain. But seriously what's it getting you? NOTHING ..but a lot of wasted time posting and monitoring a forum. Posting over and over ... complaining over and over. You have a subscription, you have access to the beta to report these things. But you'd rather come here and shame the software

[jletcher]

@mdavis22569 

"We all know there are issues. We just don't come on here DAILY and complain."

If you did they may listen, if you say nothing nothing gets done.

Do you only tell your kids to clean their room once or until they clean it?

I love changes if it is to improve, yet not much of the UI is a improvement.

I did the beta program for years gave input for years but as you can see with nothing getting fixed or improved so why am I going to waste my time for free? I rather do it for people that listen..

[Curtis_Waguespack]

@jletcher There is the other part of this that you never come to terms with... no one takes you seriously any longer because of your past (and present) behavior... that's the bed you made.... AD had nothing to do with how you behave ....that's all jletcher... all day long ... it's become a bit of a joke really 🙄

[cbenner]

@jletcher 

The difference is delivery.  Many of us who are responding to you right now HAVE made a difference in the software over the years.  We complain, we gripe, we b**ch... but it's all in HOW and WHEN and WHERE we do it.  Diplomatic persistence.  That's the key.  Like in the movie Roadhouse,... you have to be nice.  We didn't get to be EE's just because we know the product.  That is part of it, but hey... YOU know the product.  Lots of people know the product.  And maybe you don't even want to be an EE, that's not my point.  What has worked for us, and gotten us noticed, and gotten us face to face time with the developers and product teams, is our attitude.  Diplomatic persistence.  You need to be nice, constructive and willing to help with the process.  Just saying: Change it because I say so!... that's not gonna cut it.  There's millions of users out there who want their ideas implemented.  Work WITH the team, and be a part of the process.  You might be surprised.... and you might just make some good friends along the way.

My not so humble advice, for what it's worth.

[jletcher]

@Curtis_Waguespack 

 I have to disagree, if AD fixed issues that have been there for ever I would not have anything to complain about now would I...

 If you look back from Inventor 1 to Inventor 2010 all I did was praise Inventor it was when AD decided to be followers and not leaders is when I changed my tone. No one asked for UI changes, but everyone asked for issues to be fixed.