Bore Milling Cycle (In drilling section) not allowing facemill

[Anonymous]

The bore milling cycle in the drilling section does not allow me to use this cycle with a 'facemill'. I constantly need to change the tool to a 'flatmill'. I do not see why HSM have this restriction in place. We constantly bore mill large pockets on the machines using facemills. Is there a way to allow a facemill to be compatible with this cycle?

[paul.clauss]

Hi @Anonymous

Thanks for posting! I tested this on my end and found I had no problems applying face mills to Bore toolpaths in Fusion 360, InventorHSM, or HSMWorks.

What version of the software are you working on? I am on:

• Fusion 360 2.0.4854
• HSMWorks 2019 R2.43091
• Inventor HSM 6.2.0.15626

If you are working on an older version, you may be able to access this feature by updating to the development builds at the links below:

• InventorHSM
• HSMWorks

I hope this helps! If you continue to experience problems after updating, please share a problem part with me - I am happy to have a look.

[aewrmc]

I'm getting the "Invalid tool type for drilling" also for face mill tool when using the drilling command with the cycle type "Bore milling".

Build: 6.2.1.15639

Inventor Pro 2018 Build: 284, Release 2018.3.1

[paul.clauss]

Hi @aewrmc

Thanks for the response - this clarifies things. The Drill toolpaths will not allow face mills, but the 2D Bore toolpath will. This should allow you to work around this issue - it will also prevent you from needing to manually enter any information.

If you would like to see the option to use face mills in Drilling toolpaths, I would suggest posting on the HSM Ideastation. We appreciate your input! 

[aewrmc]

So why have 2 types of Boring cycles (2D milling, Bore and Bore mill via Drill) with slightly different inputs and configurations that produce the same result but unable to use the same tools? 

[paul.clauss]

Hi @aewrmc

Thanks for posting. Some machines have canned cycles for boring operations, which would be activated by the Drill toolpath options. The Bore toolpath will output without using canned cycles.

If the ability to use face mills in Drilling toolpaths is something you feel strongly about, please post on the HSM Ideastation. We appreciate your input!

[Anonymous]

yes i use the bore milling (drilling cycle) for the main reason that it posts using the machine canned cycle. at the moment I always have to change the tool type from a facemill to a flatmill, 

[ArjanDijk]

@paul.clauss. I generally support your suggestion to bring it to the idea station, BUT......

Of the top voted 10 ideas only 1 is accepted/implemented, while 7/10 are more then 2 year old.

So maybe you can tell me why @Anonymous should add this to the idea station?

[paul.clauss]

Hi @ArjanDijk

Thanks for posting - I see this come up with the Ideastation from time to time.

I tell folks to go to the Ideastation because it is our feedback loop for new features and improvement requests. This does have its problems - development needs to prioritize their upcoming work based on a wide variety of factors. User feedback and the Ideastation are one of these factors, but unfortunately need to compete against all the others.

In my position in Support, I try to bring user feedback to the attention of product managers and developers so HSM can be improved. We appreciate your input on HSM and you can feel free to reach out to me anytime with feature requests and I am happy to start a conversation. I recommend going to the Ideastation because it allows other users to vote on the idea, which makes suggestions feel less anecdotal or specific to individual preferences.

Looking through the top Ideastation posts, I notice that these are mostly incremental improvements, not large scale new features. A lot of these requests are things I see consistently in both direct and forum support cases. I would love to see focus on these issues and will certainly be bringing your comments (along with data on our support cases related to these requests) to the attention of the team - hopefully my modest influence can help push things along. 

[KRoser_12]

Sorry for jumping in conversation about ideas. Paul if You can have some modest 🙂 influence on bringing ideas to life please take a look at this https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/hsm-ideas/adaptive-clearing-big-thin-wall-problem/idi-p/7554851 I always point out that I use HSM products for many years and this "issue" with adaptive is a daily strugle for me. Adaptive handeling thin walls is just stupid in current form and needs change.

There are bilion things that need change in HSM but this is on top of my list because good toolpath is core of any good CAM package.

Sorry for my bad english and thanks for listening.

[Anonymous]

I agree with arjan that the idea station is not that credible, seen the results of implemented ideas,

However i hope for this case its not really worth an 'Idea' its a disfunction and needs a fix. 

https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/hsm-support-forum/thread-mill-is-not-a-valid-tool-for-drill-operation...

That was before the case and is fixed now, so should be done with this simular issue. 

I suggest to use a warning for invalid tool types. If i have a special form mill or drill or thread mill, and i want to want to drill, mill, thread with canned cycles its up to the user.. For example; if you want a thread with a lollipop mill, it should be possible

I have those issues with form mills in trace operation.. 

Make simply a warning out of that error..

And Safe some more room in de ideastation for the more complicated needed improvements ☺️

[scottmoyse]

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@ArjanDijk wrote:

@paul.clauss. I generally support your suggestion to bring it to the idea station, BUT......

Of the top voted 10 ideas only 1 is accepted/implemented, while 7/10 are more then 2 year old.

So maybe you can tell me why @Anonymous should add this to the idea station?

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TRUTH.... the milling side of that product has been pulling in all sorts of different directions for about a year now, the priorities seem to be more heavily influenced by internal forces, than the customers. I'm certain there are some very legitimate reasons for it, because the people in charge are no fools. But without knowing, it's hard to understand from the outside. 

The idea that a Face Mill is excluded, but a Flat End Mill isn't, is a really simple thing to change. And seemingly illogical that it's excluded.

[ArjanDijk]

@paul.clauss. The main thing is that everyone that responded here spend days/weeks to come up with ideas, document them and bring them under attention (at least this goes for me, just because we are dedicated to help HSM grow. 

Personally I always try to keep idea's small and easy to implement and save a lot of trouble we have at the moment. Some of these things are broken, some need a bit of attention, and some are requests for new strategies in milling  and turning 2. 

All the requests come from customers who want their software to improve as they improve their business. Their way of telling AD what they need for their next step is the idea station. What do you think will happen to their next steps if ideas stall in the idea station? What motivation is there for some power forum users to put new ideas in the ideastation if they stall?

[paul.clauss]

Hi @ArjanDijk

Thanks for the response. The Ideastation is a feedback loop - it is not a guarantee that development will accept and implement an idea.

If an idea stalls, the best course of action would be to bring problems due to the lack of the feature/change/option to the attention of support - this is another feedback loop both you and I can use. As I mentioned, this is not, however, a loop that is prioritized any higher than the Ideastation.

We appreciate your input on HSM and I fully agree that some of the smaller ideas discussed here would make HSM much better. I will continue to bring these to the attention of the development team and you can feel free to reach out whenever.

[ArjanDijk]

@paul.clauss. I think support and development should talk about what you want to do with this customer feedback. Until now it's proven that the most voted idea's will not get implemented. Personally I think it would be better to send a different signal to customers. Seeiing other reponses in this topic I get the idea I'm not the only one that thinks this

[Marco.Takx]

@paul.clauss,

I’m agree with @ArjanDijk. 

Often I have discussions with customers about why idea’s that have a lot of votes are still not implemented. The feedback I get is “Why should I vote or place Ideas when Autodesk isn’t doing anything with it”.