Cloud credits are not integrated into Fusion well enough yet. Our productivity is suffering as a result, possibly to a cost higher than the credits themselves.
Our use-case is commercial and small-scale, but many others in the forum have their own considerations, such as to teach and more.
I have emailed the team separately to discuss, and they were very professional and helpful. However, today's experience is reported as a bug since the workflow is crippling us. I am a big promoter of Fusion in our business, and the Solidworks crew are starting to make dents in our arguments despite their pricing.
What Happened Today:
My team and I are evaluating design ideas for a part that needs to be changed on a deadline... A common use-case across the industry ๐ This is our experience:
We were unable to complete our work today. Furthermore, the static stress studies we were able to use, were significantly slower. I expect that on "light use" CAD days, we will loose 30 minutes per person per day.
Impact / Reflection:
Proposed Solution:
Fusion sells because it is has some features that are "too good". We like that. Keep a few of the gems around. They blow us away and turn us from users into champions that give you the userbase that you have today.
p.s. none of the above is meant as criticism, but only as sincere constructive feedback. We love Fusion and are trying to help you make it a better product ๐
Very well said! I couldn't agree more! I am sorry for your frustration with cloud credits and hope you get a resolution.
Your Point #2 of your Proposed Solutions is critical to me. Their decision to force that basic form of FEA to the cloud is a bad business move. They won a lot of customers by including/integrating FEA with the subscription. It's understandable to upcharge for more advanced studies. But like you said, linear static is a gateway drug. Removing local seems like a bad business decision driving customers away.
Like you, the outages and reduced speed of cloud solves had a massive negative impact on my productivity the past 2 days, not only costing the company more, but losing us a massive business opportunity. Simply unacceptable for a business tool. I'm evaluating if a change in CAD systems is right for us because of this. I'm sure a chunk of their user base is doing the same.
I hope someone from AD will answer and provide some insight to this: Why are cloud solves so much slower than local solves? I would imagine the resources are optimized more than my work laptop. Of course data transfer up+down adds some time, but I noticed the actual solve step took close to 5 minutes per iteration today on a simple study I estimate would have taken 30 seconds or less on my laptop. I was hoping to iterate quickly and as you described, I had to sit and wait or switch gears into another task while it solved.
This was my first use of cloud solve, and I expected it to be faster or the same. Between the slowed productivity plus lost productivity of the outages, it was not a good first impression! If I do stick with Fusion in the future I suspect I will only run studies when absolutely necessary. They've really turned me off from it. In the past I've loved how quickly you can setup and solve a simple study to validate a design or even do a sanity check early in the design process before refining and fully modelling. It was an effective workflow. I guess I'll go back my pre-fusion workflows.
Thanks ๐ I'm sorry to hear about your experience too.
I was reflecting on this a little more:
Have a good weekend!
- Recent outages: I think these are likely the exception rather than the rule, but it does highlight weaknesses in the SaaS model. Why have an offline mode at all? (๐ looks at all the people without rapid internet connections).
That is the part that kills me! I'm sure they have 98% or greater up time. Unfortunately without any backup option, that 2% is enough to cost a lot of business a lot of money. I just had bad timing and bad luck, but it was eye opening and now I must protect my business. I can no longer trust another business to do it.
I just wanted to bump this so the conversation is not lost/unaddressed.
Yes they do expire lol. Only good for one year and then poof I guess you shouldn't have paid us so much money now you owe us more ๐
Hello again, I was just hoping to get an acknowledgement or response to the thoughts in this thread. Thank you!
I can just approve of this post. Th decision to remove local simulations is costing us so much time and causing immense frustration! I already wrote an Email to the Autodesk Team, but no response. If you want to keep your loyal customers, this is not the way to do it! Bad enough, all the valuable data has to be in a cloud.
Unfortunately another outage means work is paused today.
I would really appreciate a response from Autodesk on the points raised above regarding:
* Integration of cloud credits
* Slow local simulation workflow
Hi all,
Adding another bump and 'same problem here'. Exact same process and outcome on this end where I was the sole Fusion 360 user and had been for years until I finally won the rest of the team over when they saw the great benefits of the overall package, especially Mac support and rapid integrated simulation (we also have Comsol, which has become nearly obsolete since full adoption of Fusion as the ability for anyone on the team to run FEA simulations quickly, and with far less of a learning curve directly in Fusion was an absolute game changer). Roll on 6 months and the switch to cloud credit only simulation became crippling. The cost is almost the same as keeping Comsol running (and that's including the electricity bill to feed the processors!!).
The decision to remove local simulation is a joke. I have also emailed support on the topic, asking for clarification on various points, to ask them to explain their rationale and to receive some communication on the future roadmap of the cloud based system.... surprisingly, absolutely no response, not even an acknowledgement of the issue.
With todays broken update (Mac track-pad issues) and unbearable token system crippling our workflow, Fusion is fast becoming an unviable solution for us. We will have to seriously re-evaluate our options if nothing changes.
Please, support/devs/anyone, if you're seeing these multiple threads, you are costing us valuable time, money and business, re-instate local simulation. This is not acceptable.
Thanks,
Doug
Just wanted to bump this again, as I would really appreciate some feedback from Autodesk.
Bump again. I would really appreciate some recognition of this post from Autodesk.
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