Why is Fusion 360 such junk?

[alienjuggernaut]

Fusion 360 is one of the worst software applications I have used in 40 years. It is RIDICULOUS. I started with AutoCAD 35 years ago. Why is the program not the same thing? Why is EVERY convention DIFFERENT? Why are none of the keyboard shortcuts existing anymore?
Why do things get locked I have not selected to be locked?
Why do I have to start with a sketch? Isn't this on a computer? Aren't computers smart? Why can I not draw a solid and the computer figure out the sketch?
Is automation lost on you people?
I made an ENTIRE part in Rhino3d in 90 minutes. I have not even gotten past 1 plane sketch in Fusion in 2 hours because nothing moves after I place it. STUPID CRAP. Just STUPID.

My favorite thing to underscore how stupid this program is... nobody can answer a question without a screencast. Never have I seen a program put together so badly that regular users cannot picture what is going on with another person's install, without a video. THAT is how bad this software is. You cannot even IMAGINE where someone is in the app... because nothing is common and occurs naturally and with an obvious timeline.

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[TimelesslyTiredYouth]

What exactly are you seeing on youtube?

[Bifsie]

It's not a STEP file, It's a F3D file.

Also, my post was about how unintuitive the workflow is, not specifically about editing someone else's model.

[TimelesslyTiredYouth]

Right so your saying a file NATIVE to fusion that FOR EVERYONE ELSE has history just magically doesnt have any history for you?

[Bifsie]

No, I'm saying they did not have history enabled when they saved it. Why are you so angry?

[mcramblet]

A 43D file saved without a history is just like a STEP file. You have geometry with no history. No program will handle that well, but Fusion tends to handle it better than SolidWorks. That was my point with the comment. I don't know what CAD software you've used in the past, but I wouldn't classify any of them as "intuitive", and I've used a lot. Crack open SolidWorks for the first time and it makes Fusion seem very streamlined. It's all about perspective.

[Bifsie]

The entire point of my post was how the experts keep arguing against it being unintuitive in post after post by saying that you just have to take the time to learn it. That's literally the opposite of intuitive. The fact that I am currently modifying a save file without history was just describing my current frustration. I have started from scratch in the past.

[mcramblet]

My point is that we are talking about CAD. CAD is a high-precision, very complex endeavor. I'd still like to know what you're comparing it to that is "intuitive". I have used and still use many CAD and 3D software applications. Rhino, Fusion, SolidWorks, PunchCAD, SolidThinking Evolve, Blender, Strata 3D, ZBrush, 3DCoat, etc. None of them are intuitive without a steep learning curve and a fair amount of time used to learn them. Learning one doesn't necessarily make learning a different one easier; they're all different and have unique UI's. That's just the way it is. It may not seem like it, but Fusion is about as intuitive as it gets, but none of them are easy.

[sneller]

As far as intuitive try spaceclaim from ansys just the move tool and makes it 100 times better

[g-andresen]

Hi,

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@Bifsie  schrieb:

The entire point of my post was how the experts keep arguing against it being unintuitive in post after post by saying that you just have to take the time to learn it. That's literally the opposite of intuitive. The fact that I am currently modifying a save file without history was just describing my current frustration. I have started from scratch in the past.

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What is intuitive for one user is not necessarily intuitive for others and vice versa.

günther

[mcramblet]

I have tinkered with it in the past, and I'll admit it is very different, and they take a different approach than other CAD software. What I don't know is how it would hold up in a parts manufacturing environment. I've seen it do some interesting things, but I've yet to see any manufacturing company embrace it over the tried and true CAD systems like Soldworks, Creo, or Inventor. I could be wrong, but it doesn't seem ready for prime-time manufacturing (much like Fusion).

[TheCADWhisperer]

@Bifsie 

Can you File>Export your *.f3d file to your local drive and then Attach it here to a Reply?

[Bifsie]

The point of my post was not a specific issue. The specific model does not matter.

I'm learning it slowly with great frustration. I'm determined.

Thank you for the offer to help.

[Bifsie]

"I'd still like to know what you're comparing it to that is "intuitive"."

I have been using Sketchup for many, many years. I have my own frustrations with that program due to it being edge/plane based. I have learned how to do a lot with it but have been wanting to move onto a real CAD solution for years. I have finally decided to get away from its limitations and learn Fusion. 

My comparison is that simple things are simple in Sketchup. Like drawing a construction line 10mm from an edge. I did figure it out in Fusion, but it was a process. 

I just felt I had to vent my frustrations with how steep of a learning curve Fusion requires for what seems like no reason. Everyone talks about how easy it is, but that has not been my experience.

I guess the old saying is true sometimes: You cannot teach an old dog new tricks. This old dog is tired.

I'm sorry for the double post but I could not figure out how to put 2 replies into a single post.

[TimelesslyTiredYouth]

Hi @Bifsie 

an old dog can learn new tricks, I know too many on this forum and a decent few actually used softwares like solidworks before moving to fusion. If you compare fusion to what i consider the other main competitors, solidwork and blender, youll understand the difference and why many rely on fusion, being much more useful that other softwares as it contains everything, making it one of the only softwares to have PCB CAM, ect.. if you really want to learn I would advice just starting from the begging, and sacrifice 5h of your life to watch 30 days of learning fusion. Additionally if you share a model of a complete design of yours I'm sure others and I will happily take a look at it and show you where to improve on your workflow, I would also advice you to take a look at R.U.L.E 0 if your struggling and try the inbuilt fusion learner course, found in the top-right panel

Sleepy regards

Ricky

[TheCADWhisperer]

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@Bifsie wrote:

 The specific model does not matter.

@Bifsie 

I'll wager that I can change your mind on that. Post your file.

[Bifsie]

I learn best by doing and figuring it out. During this current project I have been forced to learn one tool after another. I do use online resources to figure things out when I get stuck. I have used some of the built-in lessons in the past. If I binge the courses all at once, I will retain very little from it. I do appreciate the advice. I'm sure you are going to see me around as I struggle through this 🤣.

[TheCADWhisperer]

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@Bifsie wrote:

I learn best by doing and figuring it out. 

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@Bifsie 

Attach your file here and I guarantee you will learn more in 10 minutes than you will in the next month on your own.

[Bifsie]

It's an entire assembly (3D printer). I'm working through one component at a time. For the moment, I'm not stuck.

It's gotten easier once I realized a lot of the features are broken. Removing them makes things much easier.

[bobbuck_public]

I worked at a CAD software company in the mid 90's, and the software written circa-1972 is far more advanced this this utter trash. As a software engineer, very advanced software engineer at that, I have never seen such things as this software. Every task takes mental gymnastics, and way more clicks, than software doing the same job 30 years ago. I just don't understand why companies insist on "not invented here" syndrome, or worse, violate the "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" rule. My Gosh!

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[TheCADWhisperer]

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@bobbuck_public wrote:

 Every task takes mental gymnastics, and way more clicks, than software doing the same job 30 years ago.

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@bobbuck_public 

Can you cite one specific task rather than mere generalized statement.

Just one?

To illustrate your point:

Can you File>Export your *.f3d file to your local drive and then Attach it here to a Reply?