Fusion 360 - Cloud solving will be the only option available for all simulation

Fusion 360 - Cloud solving will be the only option available for all simulation

hmortim
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Fusion 360 - Cloud solving will be the only option available for all simulation

hmortim
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In the latest update notes of Fusion360 there is a notice:

https://www.autodesk.com/products/fusion-360/blog/august-2022-product-update-whats-new/

"Simulation

Update to Fusion 360 Simulation Extension Local Solve Capabilities 

In the up-coming September update for Fusion 360, local solving for Linear Static stress, Modal, Thermal, and Thermal stress study types will be no longer be available.  Cloud solving will be the only option available for all simulation study types as a part of the Simulation Extension.  Going forward, we are focusing on the availability and overall experience that is provided. We are doing this in order to focus on performance, availably, and experience delivered as a part of the simulation workflows. "

 

Does this mean I will now have to start using cloud credits for the features I used to have access to locally? If that's the case, it's very frustrating because I have invested in an expensive computer to be able to handle this program with ease. I use the Linear Static stress simulation quite often as I make frequent changes to my designs as I R&D. It is not going to make financial sense for me to use this feature on the cloud. My system is quite capable doing it locally without issue.

 

Please keep the local simulation features available! In fact, I would love to see an expansion of the other simulations to be done locally. Thank you.

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Message 61 of 101

phillipJSCHJ
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Like here, why do I need to download a LOCAL FILE to import into this project? Why is importing files tied so heavily to the cloud that files have to process, and incredibly slowly at that and sometimes not at all, in the cloud before they can be imported? 

 

Who thought this was good design? I can open this same .STEP instantly in Solidworks but no, Fusion has to mangle it and make it inaccessible. 

 

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wmhazzard
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@phillipJSCHJ   If you go to File/open, you can open a STEP file without uploading it to the cloud. 

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TrippyLighting
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@phillipJSCHJ wrote:

..STEP instantly in Solidworks ...

 

 


As @wmhazzard has already posted, STEP files can be opened with the file/open dialogue.

Small files open "instantly" in Fusion as well. The large files I work with, for example, a robotic packaging machine that was created in Creo and then exported as a STEP file and has 27.000 components, opens/converts locally in Fusion, but magnitudes faster than in SolidWorks. 

 


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TrippyLighting
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@phillipJSCHJ please keep your tone professional!


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rahul.patil
Autodesk
Autodesk

While Windows and Mac are the 2 main OS types we support with Fusion, we also support multiple versions of those Operating Systems as well as different hardware configurations. Also, our cloud machines for Simulation are Linux, so we support that for our Simulation solvers.

 

As mentioned in the blog post, continuing to support local solvers makes Fusion more dependent on OS platforms and hardware. This means for each OS and platform, our code not only needs to be compiled and tested, but we also must ensure we produce consistent results, especially with each new version of the OS, especially on Mac.

 

Removing capabilities is never pleasing for customers. And yes, we lose customers in these situations, but we always try to ensure there is a path forward for the customers without incurring additional cost to them as well as where there will as little impact on their work as possible. This is why we no longer charge users to run Linear Static Stress study and the customers who were using other studies that could be solved locally were given a suitable path forward with the Fusion Simulation Extension. And the time freed up from having to support our solvers on multiple OS and their versions is being utilized towards improving cloud solve performance and efficiency as well as provide more features and capabilities in Fusion.


Rahul Patil
Principal Product Manager - Fusion Simulation and Generative Design
Inventor Nastran, CFD, Moldflow and Helius PFA


Message 66 of 101

phillipJSCHJ
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> Removing capabilities is never pleasing for customers.

IT'S THEFT. Users paid for a set of features that were removed from that paid package and then put behind another pay wall. Unethical, anti-consumer behavior. PLUS!!! When users had to move from credits to tokens, y'all just ate hundreds/thousands of individual users' credits when you didn't convert them. That's well recorded in these forums.

>we always try to ensure there is a path forward for the customers without incurring additional cost to them as well as where there will as little impact on their work as possible

How do you accomplish this when you're ADDING COST intentionally by charging an additional fee for features that users were already paying for? That's like General Motors going up to you and removing your headlights and charging extra for them after you've owned the car for a few years. Additionally, when basic simulations take exponentially longer to run on servers, what cost savings are had? Especially when they lock up and fail after an hour with no explanation or, again, when your UNRELIABLE SERVERS aren't able to do their job. There is NO  ADDED VALUE here. 

At the end of the day, you admit that Autodesk is TOO LAZY AND CHEAP to develope this software wholly, despite that local solving isn't an issue for other programs, including those in Autodesk's portfolio.

You seem to believe that what makes things best for Autodesk is the right path for product development instead what's best for users who are actually paying for this and relying on it.

I can't believe you think you can logically defend this path with practically universal negative feedback in this thread and throughout this entire forum. That is inane. 

@phillipJSCHJ - this post has been edited due to Community Rules & Etiquette violation.

Message 67 of 101

phillipJSCHJ
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Enthusiast

Been using this software for a decade, it lags and hates importing anything in its current iteration. Large assemblies, meshes, or even this simple STEP regularly fail and lag. It goes to the project panel and becomes a bug, as screenshot. 

 

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TrippyLighting
Consultant
Consultant

I've used CAD and 3D modeling software professionally for over 30 and over 20 in 3D starting with SolidWorks in 1998.

I've worked with Fusion for almost 10.

 

I've reported your post to the moderator.  Calling folks names is unprofessional and unacceptable!


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hmortim
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Instead of moving a feature from local to cloud, your guys's time and money would have been better off adding a new feature like I and others have brought up regarding a tube modeling feature. If I'm building tube chassis, it is an incredible task compared to other softwares such as Bendtech. There, I can mark points at which tubes intersect, and it puts them there and copes the tubes for me. I can also output printouts for how those tubes need to be cut on paper so I can transfer that pattern to the physical tube.. that would have been an incredible feature but now there is just more headache.

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TrippyLighting
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@hmortim wrote:

... your guys's time and money would have been better off adding a new feature like I and others have brought up regarding a ( any user place their favorite featiore requst here)  feature...


I ( and many others) can make that same argument for my/their features! I am not getting all the things I want either!

 

There are many areas of Fusion where features are added, and if you follow the "what's new" section after each update or read through the reports Autodesk has to publish as a publicly traded company, it becomes clear where they see the market for Fusion.

 

About a year ago (or so), in response to other users who hypothesized that Fusion would either lose or already have lost hoards of users if this or that wouldn't be implemented, I went through those public reports. 

I saw rapid growth in paying subscriber numbers. Those numbers validate Autodesk's direction, which is unfortunate for users who work more in fringe areas.

 


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jeffrbeyer
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I don’t think you are understanding this from a user point of view. Sure, it helps YOUR backend and frees up YOUR resources to do more of what YOU want. But guess what? That is literally the job of a software company. To design software that benefits the User. Why should we pay more and more to fund only your goals while you continue to remove things that you would rather just not support at all. Heck, if your backend uses Linux, then maybe (definitely) people would be more interested if the solvers could be locally available.
Autodesk is a company with a vast amount of resources. You don’t need to “allocate” your resources somewhere else. Just get a new team together to work on it. There are a crazy amount of programmers out there who I bet would love to work with Autodesk. 

Message 72 of 101

rhetths
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Fusion has gained hobbyist, startup and influencer users because it is free and people hear about it.  These users rarely use FEA.  A lot of angst is saved by accepting Fusion is a vehicle for a marketing company aimed at enticing free users to become paying users, even though once anyone becomes a professional they ought to go elsewhere.

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Message 73 of 101

tomas.baborsky
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And here is it. After many many years I didn't order new licence. I am getting many emails from Autodesk with fantastic - 25%offers to stay OR I have to pay more if I will not do it. No no Autodesk 🙂 You destroyed this product and as I said I do and I am ending here. 

Yes of course I am sad about it but cloud analysis and for extra credits did my decision.

 

Hope many will join me. Maybe after that some high managers with these "brilliant" ideas will fall.

 

Bye all and wish you the best. 🙂 

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rhetths
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Young people accept trash programs and the dark marketing culture because that is all they have experienced.  They think AI will solve bad programs but it might just create more issues.  At the end of the day users need repeatability, they dont need a new way to do the same thing every time, that would be very inefficient.

Imagine paying engineers to perform FEA and then the Fusion cloud goes down and they are sitting there twiddling their thumbs.  It's bad enough when that happens to me.

Fusion developers have been trashing the program for four years now, even if they swap to a proper development team it would then take four years fix it up to being as good as it was four years ago.  It would be much better to just revert to a four year old version for an instant fix.  Simulation and nesting would be functional again, some UI colours and shading displays would be functional again, we wouldn't have that illogical superfluous baloney of "highest of selected" etc, most bugs would be eradicated, hardly any crashes, etc.  

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tomas.baborsky
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Guys I finally found good replacement for this trash expensive program. And it is FreeCad 1.0. Try it 🙂 https://www.freecad.org/downloads.php

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designofgok
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This stinks. I have the need to run 2-3 simulations a year which cannot justify purchasing $$$ credits. Your extractive practices are shameful.

Message 77 of 101

tomas.baborsky
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After Autodesk’s marketing policy, nothing gives me more satisfaction than this graph. There was all that talk about how great your sales were. You can charge whatever you like, but no one will buy from you.

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Message 78 of 101

TrippyLighting
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@tomas.baborsky , that chart is relatively meaningless as it represents an overall picture. Fusion isn't where Autodesk makes most (or loses any) of its revenue!

Autodesk is a publicly traded company, obviously, and they have to report their earnings publicly. Those reports can be found here.

 

So before you make another potentially ill-informed post, maybe go through the reports.

I did this a few years ago, and Fusion was doing very well at the time. I have no reason to believe that has changed.


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tomas.baborsky
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Dear Trippy, 

 

thank you for that answer. I read report for fiscal year 2025 but that report is old from june 2025 and it reflect curve in the graph if you look at it well. So explain me please why my post is ill?

 

And it is not only about Fusion it about whole company. Pricing is crazily set. 

 

I am patient men. I will wait for next report where this curve should be implemented. 

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Message 80 of 101

TrippyLighting
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@tomas.baborsky wrote:

Dear Trippy, 

 

thank you for that answer. I read report for fiscal year 2025 but that report is old from june 2025 and it reflect curve in the graph if you look at it well. So explain me please why my post is ill?

You presented a graph that only shows the most recent year. I don't think Autodesk's pricing structure has changed all that much since I started using Fusion in 2014. 

I think the connection you make between the chart and Autodesk's pricing strategy is very far-fetched. 

 

Here is the MAX chart, fresh from Google. Aside from that Covid bump that many industries experienced, that looks pretty spectacular to me!

 

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@tomas.baborsky wrote:

. Pricing is crazily set. 

 



Is it? What other CAD products have you compared with Fusion?

When I get frustrated and think the grass is greener somewhere else I look the other CAD tools are out there and compare specs, features , prices, licensing and subscription  models etc.
Every time I have done that I came to the conclusion that Fusion provides a pretty good bang for the buck.

For example if I wanted to create a render of a design, with OnShape I would have to get the professional subscription plan for $2,500 annually.

 

If you don't like Autodesk's product pricing, then choose a product from a different vendor and perhaps post on their forum. There is plenty of choice!


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