Extrude has been screwed up

[rhetths]

The extrude cut and join functions have been made to glitch.  Cut used to be red and join used to be blue, but now they are both red and blue and sometimes join looks completely red, it's a mess.

[TrippyLighting]

I can't say that I've seen that in my work. 

The reason the cut does not show in red in your screenshot can be found in the error message. It tells you that it can't find anything to cut.

[rhetths]

Your response illustrates my point, it is now not clear what is going on.  I actually intended to load two screenshots but the system wasn't having it.  I was trying to shut fusion down in the background but it just did it's usual thing of refusing to shut down and using heaps of internet and desktop processor data, ad finitum.  Saving files with scans in them to the cloud could be part of the reason, otherwise probably downdates, it is so tedious when the internet speed isn't fast.

Back to the extrude issue.  It is probably another set of mindbogglingly degradatory software changes, taking functions that were perfect and making them trash.  Fusion death by a thousand cuts.  It used to be that when i selected a profile to extrude the arrow would point towards me and away from the solid, now it defaults the other way, which is super irritating, and trashes productivity and focus for people that are used to using the program and it going the other way.  There is also now a superfluous and misleading red ring, which makes 'join' look like 'cut', and join seems to have less blue which used to differentiate it.  I realise it would hurt the developers ego to upgrade it back to perfect, but they can always write it off to everyone else as a bug fix.  Better yet upgrade Fusion to the way it was 4 years ago before all the trashing began and just spruik the advances as new features and upgrades.

[TrippyLighting]

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@rhetths wrote:

Your response illustrates my point, it is now not clear what is going on. 

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The error message describes what is going on. The appropriate action would be to determine the root cause of that error.

If you need any help with that, I'd be happy to look at a model.

If there's a valid bug, we can tag an Autodesk employee and get it reported.

However, I'm not interested in unproductive rants, and no data means no help or bug report.

[jeff_strater]

"It used to be that when i selected a profile to extrude the arrow would point towards me and away from the solid, now it defaults the other way, which is super irritating, "

I am all but certain that this behavior has not changed in 15 years.  The default extrude direction is always along the sketch normal vector.  If you sketch on the face of a solid, that normal will point away from the solid.  However, if you sketch on a workplane, that plane's normal might not be what you expected.  For instance, if you offset a plane from one of the origin planes, the offset will have the same normal direction as the original.

Please share a model that illustrates your problem.

[johnAMKDR]

In my experience, the default extrusion direction is, more than half the time, in the direction that I do not want. It is certainly not always away from the body.

[jeff_strater]

please share a model showing the "wrong" direction.  Thanks.

[johnAMKDR]

I only meant that I usually have to change the direction of the extrude to get the desired effect.

[rhetths]

The extrude direction has changed back to normal.  My guess is that it was a glitch during a downdate phase.  The regular downdates create so much chaos.  I delay them as long as i can, but they create a terrible user experience.

[rhetths]

It seems i am still waiting for someone to come along that is interested in making meaningful analysis of the degradation that has occurred to the extrude function. as shown in the two screenshots i supplied earlier in this thread.

[TrippyLighting]

There is no degradation in the extrude feature.

You have not shared a model that would allow us to reproduce the behavior you claim to experience.

[jeff_strater]

yes, again, please share a model and screenshots/video that shows the incorrect behavior that you claim has happened.  We have not experienced it, so we cannot "fix" it.

[rhetths]

The models depicted in my screenshots are readily reproducible even by a beginner.  Create a cube, sketch a 5mm circle on one side, and then extrude in both directions.

There is now another reason why you guys cant reasonably ask for files, because saving to the local and trying to open it often does not work.  I posted about this on this forum but got no response.  Refer screenshot below.

Plus, Fusion is currently offline, which shuts down all reliable access to my files and thus my design and manufacturing.  Refer screenshot below.

Fusion has become diabolically unsuitable for business use.  A shambles.

[rhetths]

Previously, Join used to be indicated by Blue, Cut used to be indicated by Red.

Now, some join operations have no blue and they have red.

Extrude is a degraded mess.

[HughesTooling]

@rhetths I see none of the problems you are seeing. 

Here I've setup the same as in your first example with one sketch as a base for the cube and the cylinder and it works as expected. You need to share one of your design because it seems you're the only one with the problem. I don't know if you're doing something different or your install of Fusion has gone bad.

[TrippyLighting]

I don't see that behavior in my models at all.
I upload and download exported .f3d and .f3z files multiple times a day - usually to help other users on this forum - and have done so for years without a problem.

I spend many hours every day using Fusion and I also don't see any degradation in the extrude tool. It creates extrudes just fine as it always has.

I would think , however that the visual cues in Fusions provides might still be subject to change as the UI changes. The work on a Dark Mode is likely going to have some impact on color choices and behaviors, including possible introductions of new bugs.

I also tried the simple cube workflow you described and did not see the behavior you describe.

As you are unwilling to share a model or record a screencast, this is my last post in this thread!

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[jeff_strater]

I have seen no indication that Extrude has changed in any way, nor have I heard any other reports of any negative change in Extrude (I suspect we would have heard loud and clear if there had been a change of any kind).

I think you may be confusing the preview color within Extrude (and all body-creating features) with Combine.  Extrude never showed a blue preview for Join.  It always showed Join in the native component color.  Here is Extrude:

The red outline you see there is normal profile selection behavior. 

If there is an adjacent profile that is not selected, the border is shown as red:

again, that display has not changed in many years.

However, Combine does show a blue preview for Join:

again, unchanged for many years.

Both Combine and feature previews do show cuts in red:

again, not changed in any way that I can detect.

[rhetths]

The red ring did not exist for extrude until recently.  There was no red ring for join or cut.  Having a red ring makes no sense.  For a join operation, you know the adjacent area has not been selected because it is not blue.  For a cut operation, the volume of the cut is shown as red, so the red ring has no purpose.  The red ring serves no function, it is just a distraction, it is not consistent, and is mistaken for cut.

I say it is not consistent because if you create a sketch with multiple profiles you can find that some profiles remain black and some turn red.  refer attachment.  Also, when thin profiles are extrude joined, only the red is visible, it just looks like a cut.  I never came across that problem before (the red ring was introduced).

All it takes is for someone to look back at how it was to fix it up.  And stop allowing incompetent people to alter the programming.

[rhetths]

Here is a join operation that looks like a cut operation.  I have done heaps and heaps of join operations with plenty like this and i never had this issue before.  The red rings are just too much curry.

[HughesTooling]

I don't get the red outline on selected profiles. Think it's because I have the display style set to simple.