CAMの切削データの精度について

mist_920
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CAMの切削データの精度について

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いつも大変お世話になっております。

毎回困ったときはご回答頂き大変助かっております。

今回はCAMの切削精度についてです。

かなり古い業務用NCを動かしています。単純なご質問なのですが

上から見て一片100mmの四角、高さ20mm位の形状をテスト切削しました。

材質は石膏で、切削抵抗などはほぼ無いと考えて良いような物です。

側面の角は25R、30R、35R、40Rとすべて異なります

この側面を等高線加工で20パイのフラットエンドミルで削っていったのですが

仕上がりがRが大きくなるにつれて精度を落としたような、直線補間しているような

ガクガクした仕上がりになります。25Rより40Rのコーナーの方が

円弧動作を直線補間しているようなガクガクした仕上がりです。

切削スピードは350mmくらいですのでかなり遅くしています。

精度も0.005とこのNCでは再現できないかもしれないくらい細かい精度です。

トレランスも同じ0.005で入れています。データにNC機はまだついていけているようです。

1回の同じ等高線加工の中で全てのRを同じ条件で切削しているのに、

40はかなり荒れた仕上がりです。小さいRはわりと綺麗に出来ているので

機械の限界では無いようです。何処の部分を設定したらいいのか分かりません。

円弧切削で直線補間などが絡む設定は パスの設定の 公差 と トレランス

くらいしか思い当たりません 何か原因があるかご教授頂けると助かります

 

 

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mist_920さん こんにちは


可能性が有るのは、ポスト処理かと思います。

 

 

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試しに、こんな感じのものを

作ってみました。
該当するツールパスのコンテキストメニューの

「ツールパスを表示」で表示させてみると

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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円弧と直線の繰り返しで、

CAM上ではR部分は円弧で

作成出来ている事が確認出来ます。

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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続いてポスト処理ですが、何のポストコンフィグを使用したのか

不明ですがFANUCで説明してみます。
こちらのオプション部分(正式な名称がわかりません)にある
「最大の円の半径」部分ですがデフォルトが "1000" となっています。

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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このまま処理した場合、この様になりました。
[G01] [G02] が出ています。(G02が円弧です)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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続いて「最大の円の半径」部分を極端に "1" と設定し
再度ポスト処理したものは、この様になりました。
画像には入っていませんが、もっと前の方に [G01] が
入っており [G02] は姿を消してしまいました。

 

 

 

 

 

 



以前、別のレスでも書きましたが、ポスト処理は画面上とは

異なる動きを、あっさり作ってしまいます。

 

"短い直線の連続が、円弧の代わりにはならない" とまでは
言い切れませんが(機械の性能にもよります)古い機種の場合
ブロックの先読みが少なかったりするかと思いますので、
機械の動きに対して読み込みが追い付かない可能性はあります。

実際に使用したNCデータをテキストエディタで開いて、確認してみても
良いかもしれません。


…石膏、加工した事ありますが工具の刃先の寿命が短く、
あまり引き受けたくないです。

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早速のご回答ありがとうございます

Rが大きくなると荒くなる・・・と書きましたが、

本日昼間にチェックすると、小さいRも同じように荒れていました。

その部分では私の気のせいのようです。すみません

教えて頂いたポストの最大円弧も1000になっておりました。

しかし、伝授頂いたように〔ツールパスを表示〕を見ると

進入動作、退出操作以外の、ブルーの線の通常パスは全て直線で出ていました

生データを添付したいのですが、CAMの設定まではエクスポート出来ないのかな?

ツールパス作成でちゃんと円弧動作を作成してくれない設定はあるのでしょうか?

ポスト生成してGコードを見ると、今度は進入、退出などは円形動作のはずが

エディターで検索を掛けるとG02は何処にも出ていませんでした

一応、ポストの設定が画面を添付させて頂きます。

何か原因が分かれば伝授頂けると助かりますキャプチャ1.PNGキャプチャ2.PNGキャプチャ3.PNGキャプチャ4.PNGキャプチャ5.PNG

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>生データを添付したいのですが、CAMの設定まではエクスポート出来ないのかな?

データを落としている暇が無いので未確認ですが、

CAMに限らずこちらの方法で丸ごとエクスポート出来るようです。

https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/fusion-360-ri-ben-yu/burauzakaraekusupotosurutocam-she-dingga-xiaoete...

 

>ツールパス作成でちゃんと円弧動作を作成してくれない設定はあるのでしょうか?

ポストコンフィグが古い可能性が有ります。こちらの最新のものを使用してみることを

お勧めします。

http://cam.autodesk.com/posts/

 

 

昨日、半分寝ながら書いたので忘れていましたが、DNC運転で加工されている場合

ブロックの先読みと同等でデータの転送速度が遅い可能性が有ります。

 

NCプログラムがメモリに入りきるサイズであれば問題ないとは思いますが、

古い機種の場合、MC側にデータサーバのようなものが無い為 (最近のものでも

オプションで付けなければ) RC-232C辺りでPCから垂れ流しする場合もあろうと

思うのですが、その際の細かな動きのデータの場合、転送スピードが

追いつかない時も有ります。

 

この形状であれば、円弧で出力されていればそのような問題も

無いとは思いますが・・・。

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mist_920
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いつもご回答ありがとうございます。

その後色々といじったら円弧動作でG02を出力してくれるようになりました。しかし切削結果は変わらず・・・もうこれはNC側の問題ですね。おっしゃるとおりR232Cで俗に言う〔垂れ流し〕でデータ転送しています。これに関しては数周廻るだけのパスなので切削条件、刃物の関係ですね。。切削結果は変わりませんでしたが結果FUSION360のCAMを勉強できたので有難い事でした。やはり古いNC機でトレランスは重要ですね。有難うございました。またご質問させて頂く事もあるかと思いますがよろしくお願い致します

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一つ書き忘れましたが、この切削で、2D加工の輪郭ではG02を出力しましたが3D加工の等高線加工ではG02出力しませんでした。3D動作ではヘリカルの動きではなくて2Dの動きでもG01による直線補間になるのですか?同じ切削でも交差を厳しくしたりするとデータの量もかなりの差になってきます。

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We use Bing to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by Bing. Ads are based on both Bing data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that Bing has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to Bing to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. Bing Privacy Policy
G2Crowd
We use G2Crowd to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by G2Crowd. Ads are based on both G2Crowd data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that G2Crowd has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to G2Crowd to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. G2Crowd Privacy Policy
NMPI Display
We use NMPI Display to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by NMPI Display. Ads are based on both NMPI Display data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that NMPI Display has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to NMPI Display to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. NMPI Display Privacy Policy
VK
We use VK to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by VK. Ads are based on both VK data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that VK has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to VK to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. VK Privacy Policy
Adobe Target
We use Adobe Target to test new features on our sites and customize your experience of these features. To do this, we collect behavioral data while you’re on our sites. This data may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, your IP address or device ID, your Autodesk ID, and others. You may experience a different version of our sites based on feature testing, or view personalized content based on your visitor attributes. Adobe Target Privacy Policy
Google Analytics (Advertising)
We use Google Analytics (Advertising) to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by Google Analytics (Advertising). Ads are based on both Google Analytics (Advertising) data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that Google Analytics (Advertising) has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to Google Analytics (Advertising) to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. Google Analytics (Advertising) Privacy Policy
Trendkite
We use Trendkite to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by Trendkite. Ads are based on both Trendkite data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that Trendkite has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to Trendkite to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. Trendkite Privacy Policy
Hotjar
We use Hotjar to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by Hotjar. Ads are based on both Hotjar data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that Hotjar has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to Hotjar to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. Hotjar Privacy Policy
6 Sense
We use 6 Sense to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by 6 Sense. Ads are based on both 6 Sense data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that 6 Sense has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to 6 Sense to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. 6 Sense Privacy Policy
Terminus
We use Terminus to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by Terminus. Ads are based on both Terminus data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that Terminus has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to Terminus to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. Terminus Privacy Policy
StackAdapt
We use StackAdapt to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by StackAdapt. Ads are based on both StackAdapt data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that StackAdapt has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to StackAdapt to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. StackAdapt Privacy Policy
The Trade Desk
We use The Trade Desk to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by The Trade Desk. Ads are based on both The Trade Desk data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that The Trade Desk has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to The Trade Desk to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. The Trade Desk Privacy Policy
RollWorks
We use RollWorks to deploy digital advertising on sites supported by RollWorks. Ads are based on both RollWorks data and behavioral data that we collect while you’re on our sites. The data we collect may include pages you’ve visited, trials you’ve initiated, videos you’ve played, purchases you’ve made, and your IP address or device ID. This information may be combined with data that RollWorks has collected from you. We use the data that we provide to RollWorks to better customize your digital advertising experience and present you with more relevant ads. RollWorks Privacy Policy

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