Turning tool definition labeling incorrect

[csmithQ9RTJ]

Lathe tool definitions have some very confusing errors in how they are labeled and displayed.

1.  the axes are  labeled wrong, and is very confusing when it comes to tool orientation.

2. the width and thickness are backwards

see the attached image for how this should be labeled

[martha.deans]

Hi @csmithQ9RTJ,

Good news! These are both known and there is a fix in progress for #2 as it is very straightforward. 

We have been having some discussion around #1 with the Customer Advisory Board recently, which has been very spirited with many different opinions, and I'm curious what your ideal experience would be here. What kinds of machines and setups are you typically programming? What do you expect the axis labels to look like in the tool library? 
These may seem obvious, but it seems to be very based on use case so interested in hearing more thoughts.

[csmithQ9RTJ]

I mostly use turret based millturns, ranging from 2 to 6 axes, as well as an older manual style (tool between operator and workpiece).  The way I drew it there is generally how all lathes will be set up in my experience. -Z should always point towards the main chuck, and Z+ is always towards the sub spindle or tailstock.  Sub spindle tools point (-X, +Z).   Main spindle tools point (-X, -Z).  Im' not sure why an OD tool would ever be oriented in the +X direction.   

ID tools will have the cutting tip (+X, -Z) with the shank extending away in the Z+ direction for main spindle operation.  (Sub spindle ID tools would be (+X, +Z) with the shank extending -Z)

As to the width vs thickness, there is an ISO standard which already defines this.  Seco made a nice chart to explain what each digit means, linked here:  https://www.secotools.com/article/120341?language=en

Digit #6 is the thickness, and #3 is the width/inscribed circle of the insert.  Adherence to existing ISO standards is the only thing that makes sense to me here. 

[csmithQ9RTJ]

I would expect the insert screen to reflect the orientation selected in the holder orientation page.  Whether the insert is shown on 'top or bottom' of the holder, the axes directions are still the same in relation to the chuck and workpiece.

I could see people with a second underturret wanting more options/clarity, but that is a special case. I would expect a check box in the holder or post tabs to indicate that the tool is installed on an underturret.